AA AIP (no raise for you!)
05-21-2023, 06:02 AM
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I think we all want the same thing but I never counted on AA to lift the bar. The AA pilots I know convey a state of affairs over there of sheer misery, and they say the group as a whole will jump to approve even a marginal improvement. As a Delta pilot I’m just rooting for AA not to declare BK and drag the rest of the industry down with it.
One major airline BK could very well trigger a wave. If this is a contract the American Airline pilots can live with, good for them.
(Always looked at “snap-ups” and “furlough protection” clauses as nice to think about, but unlikely to ever actually work as intended)
05-21-2023, 06:51 AM
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05-21-2023, 06:58 AM
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It may not raise the bar on the top end of the wide body pay rate, which is what you need for your snap up, but it raises it on narrow body. It raises the bar on holiday pay days. It raises the bar on vacation accrual, it raises the bar on pairing distribution. It raises the bar on a shorter reassignment window.
Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
05-21-2023, 07:35 AM
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I think we all want the same thing but I never counted on AA to lift the bar. The AA pilots I know convey a state of affairs over there of sheer misery, and they say the group as a whole will jump to approve even a marginal improvement. As a Delta pilot I’m just rooting for AA not to declare BK and drag the rest of the industry down with it.
05-21-2023, 07:36 AM
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Never said did ALL the heavy lifting. Post my quote here, don’t fill in little extras on your own. APA did do its part this round there’s no question about that. You’re throwing in the ALL the heavy lifting on your own. Hey if this flying thing ever falls through, there’s a job waiting for you at CNN. You don’t even have to leave ATL.
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05-21-2023, 08:26 AM
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AAs top rate is $342. at least according to an AA WB CA.
05-21-2023, 08:34 AM
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It may not raise the bar on the top end of the wide body pay rate, which is what you need for your snap up, but it raises it on narrow body. It raises the bar on holiday pay days. It raises the bar on vacation accrual, it raises the bar on pairing distribution. It raises the bar on a shorter reassignment window.
Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
what is a reassignment window?
05-21-2023, 08:44 AM
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Yes, we get more earlier. Year 1-5 is 21 days. A reassignment window is what happens when your trip gets interrupted for whatever reason like a flight cancellation, and how long scheduling has to reassign you before you’re released with pay. APA’s AIP has that window at 4 hours then you’re done. And can double dip over that trip footprint If desired. Delta’s new deal is 5 hours I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong. This is all after you sign in for your trip of course. I can’t remember off the top of my head what a pilots obligation is if a trip is cancelled prior to sign in.
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