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09-01-2023 | 10:00 AM
#102
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What is the single most used word to describe anybody who supports a rule change to 67? Boy that's an easy crossword puzzle clue!
I can call someone ignorant and while technically the word should be unoffensive, that's not how the "ignorant" perceive it.
So, you can try to say....no offense is meant/inferred/construed by using the word "GREED".... but one would be ignorant to not understand that 99.9% of people take the word greed as an put down/ insult.
"And who is saying everything should be free?" Well, technically "everything" wasn't mentioned, but earlier I proffered 5 or 6 large ticket items that would be good for a society to have but asked "How do you pay for it in perpetuity?" The consensus of 5-6 individuals turned to question around in an attempt to infer anybody who doesn't want those things for everybody is greedy, heartless and doesn't care about their fellow man. I fully support socialism until I try to figure out how to pay for it. I know, let's take a poll and ask the common man, "Do you want free xxx?" Invariably it will have overwhelming support. That support is directly related to whether it is free for them, or whether they are going to foot the bill for the others free stuff. I applaud you on catching me on the technicality of "everything"....but I feel the "big picture" of my point is still in tact.
I can call someone ignorant and while technically the word should be unoffensive, that's not how the "ignorant" perceive it.
So, you can try to say....no offense is meant/inferred/construed by using the word "GREED".... but one would be ignorant to not understand that 99.9% of people take the word greed as an put down/ insult.
"And who is saying everything should be free?" Well, technically "everything" wasn't mentioned, but earlier I proffered 5 or 6 large ticket items that would be good for a society to have but asked "How do you pay for it in perpetuity?" The consensus of 5-6 individuals turned to question around in an attempt to infer anybody who doesn't want those things for everybody is greedy, heartless and doesn't care about their fellow man. I fully support socialism until I try to figure out how to pay for it. I know, let's take a poll and ask the common man, "Do you want free xxx?" Invariably it will have overwhelming support. That support is directly related to whether it is free for them, or whether they are going to foot the bill for the others free stuff. I applaud you on catching me on the technicality of "everything"....but I feel the "big picture" of my point is still in tact.
How many times in previous years have pilots on this very forum called Delta greedy for doing stock buybacks but refusing to give us a new contract? Or update our outdated IT systems? But oil companies who made their biggest profits in 115 years (who are teetering on the brink according to your math) who also decided to do stock buybacks instead of updating their outdated infrastructure are not greedy?
Your "5 or 6 large ticket items" were nothing more than red herrings to deflect from the current debate. Free college has nothing to do with oil production.
09-01-2023 | 10:27 AM
#103
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09-01-2023 | 10:46 AM
#105
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
That can be true to a degree, but I think the average pilot has more street smarts and can actually understand people and society better than the average academic.
And we just talk about stuff on the internet, scientists get elevated (by pols or in their own mind) as having all the answers.
And we just talk about stuff on the internet, scientists get elevated (by pols or in their own mind) as having all the answers.
09-01-2023 | 10:49 AM
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09-01-2023 | 10:52 AM
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If you don't like the word "greedy" because it might apply to your personal positions on certain topics, that's on you. The word itself can have multiple connotations. Greed is inherent in capitalism. That doesn't have a negative connotation to it. You might infer one, but again, that's on you.
Well, "Sorry Charlie", try to paint it any way you want, but you are out of step. Every dictionary definition I read describes "greed" in a negative light...."Greed is aninsatiable desire for material gain; or social value, such as status, or power. Greed has been identified as undesirable throughout known human history because it creates behavior-conflict between personal and social goals". Wikipedia
How many times in previous years have pilots on this very forum called Delta greedy for doing stock buybacks but refusing to give us a new contract? Or update our outdated IT systems?
So you are proving my point....you are using the term greed as a pejorative. BTW...you realize these are red herrings? But not upgrading their IT because pilots desire something "hipper " isn't greed. It's a business decision when you have 20B debt. '
But oil companies who made their biggest profits in 115 years (who are teetering on the brink according to your math) who also decided to do stock buybacks instead of updating their outdated infrastructure are not greedy?
I never said, nor insinuated, the oil companies were teetering on the brink. My "math" was merely an illustration of I personally don't see the reward worth the risk to build a NEW refinery. BTW, they have updated the refineries to comply with each new EPA standard.
Your "5 or 6 large ticket items" were nothing more than red herrings to deflect from the current debate. Free college has nothing to do with oil production.
Not a red herring to deflect from the current debate. Merely the questions I pose to idealogues, "Who's gonna pay for that, in the long run how much is it gonna help for the costs incurred, and, is it sustainable in the long run?"
The only question I've really been trying to answer is, "If a company decides not to use capital in pursuit of something you desire, does that make them "greedy"? Which is what your position is I believe. But since you're Gordon Gekko and "Greed is good", maybe you are giving them a compliment and I just don't understand? 35 years since that movie, maybe society has redefined greed as being admirable
Well, "Sorry Charlie", try to paint it any way you want, but you are out of step. Every dictionary definition I read describes "greed" in a negative light...."Greed is aninsatiable desire for material gain; or social value, such as status, or power. Greed has been identified as undesirable throughout known human history because it creates behavior-conflict between personal and social goals". Wikipedia
How many times in previous years have pilots on this very forum called Delta greedy for doing stock buybacks but refusing to give us a new contract? Or update our outdated IT systems?
So you are proving my point....you are using the term greed as a pejorative. BTW...you realize these are red herrings? But not upgrading their IT because pilots desire something "hipper " isn't greed. It's a business decision when you have 20B debt. '
But oil companies who made their biggest profits in 115 years (who are teetering on the brink according to your math) who also decided to do stock buybacks instead of updating their outdated infrastructure are not greedy?
I never said, nor insinuated, the oil companies were teetering on the brink. My "math" was merely an illustration of I personally don't see the reward worth the risk to build a NEW refinery. BTW, they have updated the refineries to comply with each new EPA standard.
Your "5 or 6 large ticket items" were nothing more than red herrings to deflect from the current debate. Free college has nothing to do with oil production.
Not a red herring to deflect from the current debate. Merely the questions I pose to idealogues, "Who's gonna pay for that, in the long run how much is it gonna help for the costs incurred, and, is it sustainable in the long run?"
The only question I've really been trying to answer is, "If a company decides not to use capital in pursuit of something you desire, does that make them "greedy"? Which is what your position is I believe. But since you're Gordon Gekko and "Greed is good", maybe you are giving them a compliment and I just don't understand? 35 years since that movie, maybe society has redefined greed as being admirable
09-01-2023 | 11:06 AM
#109
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You must not know too many academics. The ones in my family describe near insanity in their culture.
I know what you're saying, but the eggheads are actually worse. I'm not anti-intellectual, rather a big proponent of education... but the right type and quantity for each person.
Qualified to teach and research doesn't mean qualified to direct or run society.
I know what you're saying, but the eggheads are actually worse. I'm not anti-intellectual, rather a big proponent of education... but the right type and quantity for each person.
Qualified to teach and research doesn't mean qualified to direct or run society.
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