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Old 11-01-2023 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Back in 2020 when BOS was announced it would open with 320, the 320 had the most daily departures of the 6 different aircraft (220, 717, 320, 737, ER, 330) that overnighted there.

Now, the 320 is flying 15% more departures than it was back in 2020 and only 5 fleets (no more 717).

So BS saying "numbers don't support it" is in itself, BS!
You didn’t really read what I wrote. They can open it and save money. They can’t be assured it will stay that way.
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Old 11-01-2023 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Kind of a nasty thing to do to the pilots who bid and were awarded the MCO base. I know one who dumped a nice Crashpad and was unable to get back in.
That’s unfortunate for that pilot, but what was stopping the company from switching it to a 320 VB in MIA the following month? Then a 220 VB in DFW after that? Maybe all 3 run for a couple months and then all shut down.

I know the union is your boogeyman and management can do no wrong, but come on.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
That’s unfortunate for that pilot, but what was stopping the company from switching it to a 320 VB in MIA the following month? Then a 220 VB in DFW after that? Maybe all 3 run for a couple months and then all shut down.

I know the union is your boogeyman and management can do no wrong, but come on.
Not sure what your point is. If a pilot lives in MIA or DFW, I’m sure they would love even a month of no commute. With more than half the pilots commuting, this could have been great. A significant number of non-commuters screamed all kinds of reasons to kill it in an attempt to protect what they had. They won.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
That’s unfortunate for that pilot, but what was stopping the company from switching it to a 320 VB in MIA the following month? Then a 220 VB in DFW after that? Maybe all 3 run for a couple months and then all shut down.

I know the union is your boogeyman and management can do no wrong, but come on.
Well that’s the agreement we negotiated. Why did we bother in the first place? It’s also unlikely they would have done that. The places a VB would work and cost savings were well researched by the union and company.
If we didn’t like it we could spit it out anytime we wanted. We never even tasted it! My 6 year old grandson has enough sense to try something and then spit it out if he doesn’t like it!
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Old 11-02-2023 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Well that’s the agreement we negotiated. Why did we bother in the first place? It’s also unlikely they would have done that. The places a VB would work and cost savings were well researched by the union and company.
If we didn’t like it we could spit it out anytime we wanted. We never even tasted it! My 6 year old grandson has enough sense to try something and then spit it out if he doesn’t like it!
Say your grandson got a chance to chew on MCO for a month. Does that help the pilot you talked about who couldn’t get back into the crashpad? Does 1 month remove the nastiness?

Again, the VB pull-down didn’t happen in a bubble, and management has only gotten worse with contract compliance. remember, it’s not a violation unless an arbitrator rules it so. I can only imagine the ways they would violate the provisions of the VB agreement (that they didn’t already).
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Old 11-02-2023 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Not sure what your point is. If a pilot lives in MIA or DFW, I’m sure they would love even a month of no commute. With more than half the pilots commuting, this could have been great. A significant number of non-commuters screamed all kinds of reasons to kill it in an attempt to protect what they had. They won.
My point was that sailing said it was nasty because a pilot left a crashpad and then couldn’t get back in. Could they get back in after 1 month or were they still stuck? My point was, it didn’t get pulled down in a bubble. Management was and continues to ignore and violate our contract whenever it suits them, the MEC gave them the middle finger, and no pilots lost anything that they already had. I’m sure it would have been nice for the handful of pilots who happened to be on the right equipment and live in the right place, but there were no guarantees of what and where and for how long anyways.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Say your grandson got a chance to chew on MCO for a month. Does that help the pilot you talked about who couldn’t get back into the crashpad? Does 1 month remove the nastiness?

Again, the VB pull-down didn’t happen in a bubble, and management has only gotten worse with contract compliance. remember, it’s not a violation unless an arbitrator rules it so. I can only imagine the ways they would violate the provisions of the VB agreement (that they didn’t already).
We could pull it down anytime we wanted. The letter the union put out gives a different reason than what you post for pulling it down. Strange however that in person they stated yet a different reason.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 05:26 AM
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The end all is, if you are based anywhere other than ATL with DAL you can expect a career maelstrom.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We could pull it down anytime we wanted. The letter the union put out gives a different reason than what you post for pulling it down. Strange however that in person they stated yet a different reason.
I bet you take everything management says as gospel too.
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Old 11-02-2023 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Well that’s the agreement we negotiated. Why did we bother in the first place? It’s also unlikely they would have done that. The places a VB would work and cost savings were well researched by the union and company.
If we didn’t like it we could spit it out anytime we wanted. We never even tasted it! My 6 year old grandson has enough sense to try something and then spit it out if he doesn’t like it!
Which is exactly what we did. The company didn't meet the time line and we weren't happy with their actions. It may have been retaliatory but was well within our contractual rights. Unlike the current situation we made a move that took full advantage of and defend our PWA.
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