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myrkridia 10-28-2023 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3716720)
Untie our contract
Untie our pay

I'll refrain from any jacket removal slogans.

Stop horsing around with the contract, horse blanket off. Needs work but it could pair nicely with this https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/s...B8e70&usqp=CAc

notEnuf 10-29-2023 06:29 AM

Quiet stealing = quiet quitting.

I stop for IROP

14* days of delays
*(business)

Machsp 10-29-2023 10:09 AM

Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

BCan 10-29-2023 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Machsp (Post 3717114)
Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

I’d say when Dickson left and a non-pilot got put in charge of flight ops. Top that off with the COVID treatment in conjunction with the contract negotiations…and here we are. I thought Dickson and flt Ops pretty much rowed in the same direction in the summer of 2019.

As far as “the worst culture”…I’m not so sure…I have friends at FDX & SWA, they are pretty P.Off.

PNWFlyer 10-29-2023 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Machsp (Post 3717114)
Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

and this everyone is why you should cross “culture” off you list of reasons to go to a particular airline. Along with company debt, promised growth, Sunny new airplanes, ect.

QOL not tied to a particular contact is all you should care about.

FangsF15 10-29-2023 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Machsp (Post 3717114)
Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

Couple things to note here.

1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.

2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.

While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.

All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.

CX500T 10-29-2023 11:07 AM

Company currently has me royally ****ed off still.

I'm spending more than my mortgage payment on a drug that's in the formulary, covered by our insurance, that a non MD in HR has ruled my wife doesn't need.

Needs it because of a brain tumor but if she was a 400 pound diabetic who doesn't even care about their blood sugar or diet they'd pay.

PilotJ3 10-29-2023 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3717137)
Couple things to note here.

1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.

2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.

While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.

All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.

The company decided to go into mediation in Jan 2020 (I believe). The company decided to open the mouth in national tv. Then they have to open their pockets and they don’t want to pay now.

Its their own fault if they feel they got “rolled over”. Nobody asked them to go to mediation and nobody asked them to go on national TV and say we can’t strike.

We also got the “take it or l’ll put you on ice”. We took the best of the outcome for that particular moment.

sf340b 10-29-2023 12:09 PM

REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS

A “No funny” satire

Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.

REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.

REALITY provides the steps as follows;

1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;

A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.

B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.

REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;

1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”

REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.

AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.

CBreezy 10-29-2023 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by sf340b (Post 3717176)
REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS

A “No funny” satire

Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.

REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.

REALITY provides the steps as follows;

1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;

A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.

B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.

REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;

1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”

REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.

AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.

Is this supposed to be funny?


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