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01-13-2024, 07:51 AM
#283
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All this back and forth is precisely why management will always have an edge over us in contract negotiations. They are always unified and have the same common goal. We have infighting like in this thread about who's more entitled to the biggest slices of the pie.
01-13-2024, 07:55 AM
#284
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I did not got what I wanted, which it was better commuting choices (ps or 1 JS required in Delta metal). But overall, it is a good contract, I’ve made a ton of money with our soft rules without even trying.
01-13-2024, 08:03 AM
#286
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
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Alpa did what it was told. They surveyed SEVERAL TIMES and the contract reflected those choices…sorry retirement felt shorter than what you expected.
I did not got what I wanted, which it was better commuting choices (ps or 1 JS required in Delta metal). But overall, it is a good contract, I’ve made a ton of money with our soft rules without even trying.
I did not got what I wanted, which it was better commuting choices (ps or 1 JS required in Delta metal). But overall, it is a good contract, I’ve made a ton of money with our soft rules without even trying.
jb views it as an issue of what they *are owed by people who weren’t here when they were wronged*
01-13-2024, 08:23 AM
#287
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
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The idea isn’t unreasonable, has some merit. The counter question to that is, why didn’t the 2006 and prior crowd insist upon this when PS was negotiated? I usually get the answer Dalpa sucks, blah blah blah. You should have fought for that at the time. The same crowd that says this about PS is the same crowd that voted for several contracts, which had little to no significant retirement improvements, in overwhelming numbers. So yes, maybe that was indeed a great idea. If it was, why didn’t you all fight for it?
01-13-2024, 08:28 AM
#288
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The idea isn’t unreasonable, has some merit. The counter question to that is, why didn’t the 2006 and prior crowd insist upon this when PS was negotiated? I usually get the answer Dalpa sucks, blah blah blah. You should have fought for that at the time. The same crowd that says this about PS is the same crowd that voted for several contracts, which had little to no significant retirement improvements, in overwhelming numbers. So yes, maybe that was indeed a great idea. If it was, why didn’t you all fight for it?
If we agree that (1) pilots deserve good retirement savings, and (2) the pension was exchanged for PS+DC (irrespective of whether or not that was a good value), senior pilots traded future pensions for future PS+DC as well as their own in the moment.
01-13-2024, 08:45 AM
#290
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