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01-13-2024, 08:47 AM
#292
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 835
it has some merit until you realize that people arriving here after “the change” aren’t getting a pension that senior pilots are not.
If we agree that (1) pilots deserve good retirement savings, and (2) the pension was exchanged for PS+DC (irrespective of whether or not that was a good value), senior pilots traded future pensions for future PS+DC as well as their own in the moment.
If we agree that (1) pilots deserve good retirement savings, and (2) the pension was exchanged for PS+DC (irrespective of whether or not that was a good value), senior pilots traded future pensions for future PS+DC as well as their own in the moment.
01-13-2024, 05:01 PM
#295
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,048
What the company did before BK, the two pay cuts, and to you during BK(the pension) was not right, imho. The pilot group was decimated, and the courts went right along. That said, I was only responding to the point Timbo made about PS. Why that wasn’t a condition of the agreement was beyond me. Would have lessened the losses all of you suffered.
01-13-2024, 05:02 PM
#296
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
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01-13-2024, 05:21 PM
#297
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 835
Because then you have an even more divided pilot group with 2 different “retirement systems”. Good luck during section 6 with that. Old system pilots win the negotiations until new system pilots become the majority and then take over the negotiating priorities. Then you have 2 groups super ****ed at each other and management wins. If you think the pilot group is divided now, it would get really ugly like that.
01-13-2024, 05:23 PM
#298
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
Point was you don’t know that either Mr 13.9.
01-13-2024, 05:36 PM
#299
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,363
Well, clearly there's a reason labor unions have lost their bargaining power over the decades. Would love to hear your views on why that is.
01-13-2024, 05:38 PM
#300
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,728
Flying the 777 since 2006... This wisdom brought to you from the loftiest of perches. All you Whos down in Whoville needs to realize at an advanced age the eyesight goes and hindsight becomes the primary vision. That's why it's impossible to see your arguement.
-Top paying catagory for 2 decades.
-Top paying catagory for 2 decades.
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