notEnuf

It's some twisted logic that says as the senior pilot you shouldn't change your schedule so those below you can. Isn't it the persons seniority that allows them to drop on blue days. Yet thier subordinate position as "out of base" that prevents them from getting the "good" trips in another base because every other pilot has a chance to take the trip first. How is it flying for lower wages?

FangsF15

No thank you. I said my piece. Several times, actually.

I said “Im not saying this is the same thing, but…”. It's called an analogy, used for purposes of illustration.

And who said anything about “voicing it on the flight deck”???? You are making an accusation based on a a huge assumption there. Last I checked, this is an… Internet forum.

notEnuf

I figured it out via context and your history, so... Since this has become the unpopular opinion advocating thread. I think swaps should be allowed across the system. I'm looking for a PWA reference that prohibits this, any help is appreciated.

Gunfighter

I can untwist the logic and help you with arithmetic all in one statement. I favor senior in base pilots flying for 2x pay as opposed to junior out of base pilots flying at straight pay.

As an alternative to our BES system, perhaps you would prefer just ES and forget the B. Why not put all 330B into one category with trips and reserve obligations originating all across the system? Pilots can bid for starting/ending airport across the entire system like we already do between EWR//LGA/JFK.

notEnuf

Or even better, everyone move to the ATL. One base. We have a PWA that defines the process, dare I say endorses the process of dropping and picking up trips. (24.E.1.) More schedule flexibility is better than less, use YOUR seniority as YOU see fit but you have no grounds to limit others use of thier seniority. Your assumption that 2x pay is due is false. 2x pay is a function of staffing needs not a right of in base pilots. Here's a reference for you. 24.F.1.a. mentions nothing about base.

crewdawg

Jetway trades were a waste of negotiating capital.

Gunfighter

How about everyone based in ATL. Many would quit before moving, myself included. It would require Delta IT moving forward a century in technology, but it's possible.

I'm in favor of keeping seniority within BES when covering trips. That is the point of a B. Exercise of seniority for BES choces is avialable monthly via the AE process. If a pilot can't hold a BES, should they be flying there? If a pilot can hold BES and choses not to, should they be flying there? Instead of NYC 330B flying OOBWS, maybe they could bid in base for what their seniority can hold?

Please draw me a picture using PWA trip coverage sequence where OOBWS does not cover a trip at single pay instead of 2x pay. My comprehension of PWA trip coverage is that the next step after single pay OOBWS was GS. Did I miss something in trip coverage or are we on different topics?

WRT staffing, OOBWS ensures we can keep staffing lower in ATL because NYC pilots will pick up the trips. It actually works against us by artificially inflating the staffing requriements for NYC while lowering the staffing required in ATL.

170Till5

can we get rid of iCrew the next contract? It’s awful and from the 1990’s

OOfff

hear! hear!

FangsF15

There is no PWA reference. I’ve said that from the start. Thus why I have said I would support a PWA change lowering OOBWS on the coverage ladder (below GS, for example), and/or limiting you to 1 or 2 OOBWS per base per month - perhaps exempting NH’s in their original equipment. That wouldn’t prevent the occasional good deal for commuters, but would stop the pilots who never fly a trip from their own base.

Again, just my opinion. Which probably matters about as much to anyone as the fact I also don’t like sushi.