neodd

Leading question: What do you think is supposed to happen when you get rerouted into an extra day that conflicts with your next rotation (line holder)?

I’ve asked several other people about this and I always get the same answer: next rotation is dropped and pay protected.

I had this happen to me a few months ago and my next rotation wasn’t dropped. Instead, scheduling/tracking/who-knows removed the first day of the rotation and then ADDED a segment (DH) on the 2nd day of the rotation (my new first day) to catch me up to it.

I had a long discussion with the scheduling supervisor about it at the time. At first they claimed 23.G.2 says the company may remove a pilot from a rotation or portion of a rotation. But that didn’t explain the added segment which I argued is either a reroute or recovery. Then he claimed that my lack of required rest for the rotation was an IROP so they could add the segment under 23.K recovery. My lack of rest… because they rerouted me… There were no IROPS on either of my rotations prior to the reroute.

I ACE’d it a few months ago. Scheduling committee just got to it and… agreed with the company that personal IROPS caused by the company can obligate a pilot to 23.K. WTF?

How do I escalate this further?

At the time of the event, I called the scheduling committee volunteer who agreed with me, who called someone from the actual scheduling committee, who also agreed with me, but ultimately told me to fly now and grieve later. So imagine my surprise when ACE comes back with nothing-to-see-here.

Under this interpretation, the company has free reign to subject (line-holder) pilots to any flying because of “IROPS” that the company caused by reroutes.

peepz

I’d say that’s game over, you aced it, they ruled in favor of the company.

I would move on from it or just call in sick for a trip if it makes you feel better on evening the playing fields

neodd

I'm more concerned with the contractual precedent it sets. And lack of support from that specific scheduling committee member.

Under this interpretation, if they reroute you into being an hour late for your subsequent rotation, they can instead put you on 5 hours of short call recovery to any rotation they want. As a line holder.

Rooster435

Had something similar several years ago. Got rerouted to the next day which conflicted with my next trip. They ended up dropping the first day of the second trip and I rejoined it the next day. Can’t remember if it was via a DH or just when it came back thru base. This was pre-ACE days but I did send an email to the scheduling committee and they said it was legal.

neodd

Rejoining when it comes through base is different though. I agree, they can do that. That's 23.G.2. My trip never came back through base. They added a segment to my previously awarded trip.

Hotel Kilo

You seemed very tired at the time. Should have called in fatigued, ask for 22 hours of rest. But make sure you do it within 10 hours of your new report time.

Our PWA has many areas like this where management has holes large enough to drive dump trucks thru - and they do. Keep this in mind for the next contract cycle and elevate it to your reps. To me I get the IROP thing - when its actually an warranted IROP. Not a tool the company can use at will with no barriers. As a minimum, like in your case, we should be proffered whether we want to fly the follow on rotation or not. If not, then pay protected and dropped. After all, they used you when they needed you the most, you'd think you'd get a quid for that at least.

charleyvarrick

Take a look at page 112 of the SRH entitled "Late Rotation Release."

neodd

It's a good read but I dont see where any of that is supported in the actual PWA.

myrkridia

SRH is just as good as the PWA for referencing work rules.

m3113n1a1

I keep hearing this, but if that's the case then the SRH should go to memrat. How can it take priority over the PWA?