Originally Posted by 20Fathoms

Well respected answer. Wasn’t trying to be a d^*%, just trying to push back a bit on the narrative that triple digit hours is something that is normal and anyone can do. Not everyone is NYC or ATL based and can get GS#4 with a snap of their fingers.

Heck I tried max credit in January to pay off some Christmas presents: blanket GS request and weekends off to maximize GS availability. Finally got one but just a 2 day, well short of 108 and that’s with all the stops pulled out at 35 percent BES. GS#2 in my category simply does not exist. And that’s on a narrow body: as a further data point I once had a blanket GS request in on the widebody fleets and had the phone ring exactly once in a 3 year period! It simply was not possible to hit 108 no matter what you did.

I have a deep respect for our union volunteers and they seem adept at their jobs overall especially compared to our peers. But let’s not pretend 108 hours a month for a 9-5 or WFH isn’t a cush gig because it most certainly is. It is also more money than I could have possibly attained in January no matter how many days I was willing to work.

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

Yea. In JANUARY. How do you think those Greenslips will look over the summer? You can far out pace 108 hours in a month.

Originally Posted by FangsF15

As another side note, when the company was informed they would have to pay more for the full timers, the company reportedly laughed and asked why we weren’t giving these folks 10 or 15 hours of pay per day.

Originally Posted by myrkridia

It's funny that we found almost a sort of loophole in that we could theoretically pay a few pilots an exorbitant amount of money at no cost to the pilot group and the online rhetoric is focused on someone else getting too good of a deal.

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

Sounds like typical pilots. human nature

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Do folks have any concept for how much time and effort, you might even say…. work goes into being a rep? My wife would shoot me if I ever ran for rep, those guys/gals are constantly answering phone calls on a myriad of issues, fielding emails, angry rants, before they even do any of the work you talk about here. It’s pretty much a 24/7 job. Same with the full time “108” hour folks. They have to be in the office 18 days a month. You realize that, right? How many days did you work last month? No working from home, except for all the extra time above 18 days they have to put in. Many of the (very few) folks who get 108 hours are “working” nearly every day of the month. Besides the fact that the company has to pay for the majority of the people making 108.

I talked to 2 of my reps (one of whom was on vacation), and they asked me to guess how many phone calls they’ve had to field from angry constituents about the issue. I guessed many dozens, maybe a hundred +. He chuckled. Nope. Less than 10 in the biggest council by far. As another side note, when the company was informed they would have to pay more for the full timers, the company reportedly laughed and asked why we weren’t giving these folks 10 or 15 hours of pay per day.

The masses don’t care about this. At least not enough to write or call their reps on this issue.

Originally Posted by 170Till5

this doesn’t seem like “volunteering” if they can easily make more than a line pilot with from the comfort of their home..

Originally Posted by TED74

Any chance you’ve read anything about this? Where are you seeing folks with the potential to credit 108 hours from home? I’m all about having the debate, but I kind of feel like we should debate real stuff instead of fake stuff.

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Do folks have any concept for how much time and effort, you might even say…. work goes into being a rep? My wife would shoot me if I ever ran for rep, those guys/gals are constantly answering phone calls on a myriad of issues, fielding emails, angry rants, before they even do any of the work you talk about here. It’s pretty much a 24/7 job. Same with the full time “108” hour folks. They have to be in the office 18 days a month. You realize that, right? How many days did you work last month? No working from home, except for all the extra time above 18 days they have to put in. Many of the (very few) folks who get 108 hours are “working” nearly every day of the month. Besides the fact that the company has to pay for the majority of the people making 108.

I talked to 2 of my reps (one of whom was on vacation), and they asked me to guess how many phone calls they’ve had to field from angry constituents about the issue. I guessed many dozens, maybe a hundred +. He chuckled. Nope. Less than 10 in the biggest council by far. As another side note, when the company was informed they would have to pay more for the full timers, the company reportedly laughed and asked why we weren’t giving these folks 10 or 15 hours of pay per day.

The masses don’t care about this. At least not enough to write or call their reps on this issue.

Originally Posted by TED74

Any chance you’ve read anything about this? Where are you seeing folks with the potential to credit 108 hours from home? I’m all about having the debate, but I kind of feel like we should debate real stuff instead of fake stuff.