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Old 08-06-2024 | 07:50 AM
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Yeah I assumed Airbus products would be capable of that. Wasn’t sure about the (actual) Boeings.
Boeing products, including the ER, are capable of using ATs to touchdown. All aircraft at the company can do this. This has got to be the worst attempted 717 flex I’ve heard.
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Old 08-06-2024 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
Boeing products, including the ER, are capable of using ATs to touchdown. All aircraft at the company can do this. This has got to be the worst attempted 717 flex I’ve heard.
It must be more of a fleet culture thing. Most of the people I fly with on the 717 use the AT for every landing. When I’m in the JS on the 737 it seems like everyone takes them off. Granted that is a much smaller sample size.
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Old 08-06-2024 | 08:06 AM
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Started on the angry puppy, but it’s been awhile since I’ve flown it, so I won’t go into the trips, as I’m sure they’ve changed a lot.

I will say, I do miss the burgs and villes sometimes. Lots of great local restaurants and breweries that don’t cost an arm and a leg, unique hotels (everything from a Casino in GPT, to a historic building in GRR, to an awesome spot in brick town OKC), and quick rides to the airport are all nice advantages.

The jet is meh. (Mid as the kids say)

Only advantage of being ATL based? I only had to de-ice 6-9 times (thankfully)
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Old 08-06-2024 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by StayFrosty
Thank you everyone for the info. I would be very junior if I were to do it and would have to commute. That said, I have pretty decent seniority now as an FO (50% in BES) but feel that I have to overly hustle where it "might" be easier in the left seat for same amount of dollars earned. I might be way over thinking this and setting myself up for disaster or for a great ride in funding my 401K. Anyone have a shiny crystal ball I can borrow for a quick minute?
A friend that's been here for 20 years had some very wise words.... don't take a great gig and mess it up by getting greedy. As I've tried to internalize that and having watched this conundrum play out over and over, I've come to the realization that we tend to overestimate the monetary benefits and underestimate the QOL price paid to get there. Human fallacy I suppose to whitewash our desired path.

Anyway, good luck with your decision. Just remember, it's a marathon, and it all pays ridiculously well.
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Old 08-06-2024 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
It must be more of a fleet culture thing. Most of the people I fly with on the 717 use the AT for every landing. When I’m in the JS on the 737 it seems like everyone takes them off. Granted that is a much smaller sample size.
73 is not prohibited, but strongly recommended to have off if not an auto land. People that elect to land with them on eventually get snakebit and decide not to do it anymore.


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Old 08-06-2024 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
73 is not prohibited, but strongly recommended to have off if not an auto land. People that elect to land with them on eventually get snakebit and decide not to do it anymore.
So every 737 pilot at AA has been snakebit?
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Old 08-06-2024 | 06:16 PM
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Something tells me the constant fear of tail strikes is the main reason 73 crews don't use AT to touchdown. Risk reward isn't there. Airbus literally yells at you to manually move the thrust levers to idle so I wouldn't call that AT to touchdown.
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Old 08-06-2024 | 06:39 PM
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A senior captain's opinion here. I love the jet. For me the perfect level of automation. Great displays. It could easily do 230 to the marker and still make a stable approach. You'll leave the busiest airport in the nation and an hour later conduct a RNAV approach to a tower closed field, to me the variety is a plus.
I don't like big cities, long days or all nighters. Layovers are Captitols, campuses, camps, burgs and vills. If you commute lots of 5 days that sign in late and end early.
Boarding and deplaning is quick, and at the end of the day after you turn the battery switch off you're in the van in 2 minutes.
As widebody AEs become theoretically possible, I have to say that this is what pulls at my heartstrings.

"Monitoring" an autopilot for 8-12 hours and disrupting circadian rhythms just to say "I had an overnight in (European city XYZ)" loses its charm after actually doing it for a few years.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

The 717 is perfection.

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Old 08-07-2024 | 05:50 AM
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Something tells me the constant fear of tail strikes is the main reason 73 crews don't use AT to touchdown. Risk reward isn't there. Airbus literally yells at you to manually move the thrust levers to idle so I wouldn't call that AT to touchdown.
Because if you don't you'll enter ground effect just as the engines spool back up to maintain Vapp, then it gets interesting. Nothing like being flat, engines at 80% N1 with forward stick in the flare with RETARD screaming in the background. It's the one time nails it.
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Old 08-07-2024 | 06:52 AM
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The 757/767 FCTM states that the AT can be used without the AP.

The 767-400 and the 737 manuals state that if the AP if off the AT's must be off (except for initial climb.)

Anyone who has flown the -400 and the 73N will attest that the Autoflight systems are very similar (with the exception of the lack of AP capability on the 737.) Using TOGA to initiate takeoff, selcting VNAV at thrust reduction altitude ... They are both offshoots and take technology from the 777 (ie: Boeing early 1990's philosophy.)
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