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Old 10-06-2024 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RCAC
I've noticed all the AEs have that buyer beware message, essentially saying don't bid a seat because you think you'll be withheld, then come complaining to us when we send you to class.

At what point would the company withhold you?
Obvious situations like a 64 year old 73N A with 11 months to go who bids and is awarded A350 A?
not as obvious as you think. There was a pretty prolific SM poster who did exactly that (73NA to 350A with about a year to go) and they didn’t bypass him. He did make a FB post ahead of time saying he was fishing so they might have made an effort not to bypass him knowing he would back out.


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Were there situations during COVID where certain A or B seats were short staffed and they weren't letting people leave? Or even today - there are a ton of B717 B slots for newhires....are they letting folks whose seatlocks are up bid out of those seats?
Other situations like base closures and they try to keep a certain amount of staffing to the end.
Anything else? They just emphasize it so much, I suspect in the past it probably happened more often.
it seems like if they think they can get you off OE and get a few revenue flights out of you they will not bypass. I’m sure there is lots of things they consider, but I have not seen a bypass with more than 6 months to go in the last several AEs

I wonder if with the new contract provision they are less likely to bypass because they are playing chicken with those fishing for a bypass hoping they back out.
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Old 10-07-2024 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
not as obvious as you think. There was a pretty prolific SM poster who did exactly that (73NA to 350A with about a year to go) and they didn’t bypass him. He did make a FB post ahead of time saying he was fishing so they might have made an effort not to bypass him knowing he would back out.




it seems like if they think they can get you off OE and get a few revenue flights out of you they will not bypass. I’m sure there is lots of things they consider, but I have not seen a bypass with more than 6 months to go in the last several AEs

I wonder if with the new contract provision they are less likely to bypass because they are playing chicken with those fishing for a bypass hoping they back out.
Good point. I wonder if they up the amount of vacancies by guesstimating which guys are gonna bail with their get out of jail free card, then settle for a certain percentage per AE who go to training and get on the line.
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Old 10-07-2024 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RCAC
I've noticed all the AEs have that buyer beware message, essentially saying don't bid a seat because you think you'll be withheld, then come complaining to us when we send you to class.

At what point would the company withhold you?
Obvious situations like a 64 year old 73N A with 11 months to go who bids and is awarded A350 A?
Were there situations during COVID where certain A or B seats were short staffed and they weren't letting people leave? Or even today - there are a ton of B717 B slots for newhires....are they letting folks whose seatlocks are up bid out of those seats?
Other situations like base closures and they try to keep a certain amount of staffing to the end.
Anything else? They just emphasize it so much, I suspect in the past it probably happened more often.
That's not obvious, because it literally happened not too long ago. One of the favorite CC posters, an ATL 73N that had a smidge over 1 year to go bid for and was awarded ATL350A....he posted about how he was doing it hoping to get bypassed. When he didn't, he pulled the trigger on the PWA clause to one time drop out of training no harm no foul. He has sicne retired.
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Old 10-07-2024 | 06:14 AM
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It's not even a gamble with the one freebee withdrawl. At 62.5 I'll bid any WBA and try for a bypass.
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Old 10-07-2024 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It's not even a gamble with the one freebee withdrawl. At 62.5 I'll bid any WBA and try for a bypass.
62.5 is a guarantee you'll burn the freebie unless you are already single digit seniority. 63.5 might even be pushing it. 64+ gives you a 50/50 chance.
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Old 10-07-2024 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
62.5 is a guarantee you'll burn the freebie unless you are already single digit seniority. 63.5 might even be pushing it. 64+ gives you a 50/50 chance.
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Burn it at 62.5 and then bid it again at 64.5. I'd do the training at 64 and deal with 3-6 months of RES. Or bid 350A 4 man trips and voluteer to be "relief captain" for the remainder.

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Old 10-12-2024 | 05:11 AM
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I don’t know if the OP is still reading this thread but I think this is a clear “grass is always greener” situation. You’re currently living in base, driving to work, making bank. If you jump to delta you will eventually have that same setup again. Most likely in the same equipment, all it will require is: a year of probie pay, uproot your family and move, significant hit to seniority and the added threat of furlough while you ride the bottom of the list. All to be in the same exact position you are already in for the next 10 years. If it’s the airplane you hate, go to United. If you just want to drive to work and enjoy your life, stay put. You already made it. Cheers.
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Old 10-13-2024 | 07:58 AM
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The pay rates on APC Delta profile appear to be possibly 2026 rates, where can one find the current pay rates? Or is year 1 FO $125?
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Old 10-13-2024 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
the pay rates on apc delta profile appear to be possibly 2026 rates, where can one find the current pay rates? Or is year 1 fo $125?
2024 = $116.05
2025 = $120.69
2026 = $125.52
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Old 10-13-2024 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
2024 = $116.05
2025 = $120.69
2026 = $125.52
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