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Khantahr 12-11-2025 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Frank Grimes (Post 3979786)
That puts it below reserve coverage, nope.

What if it went GS, OOBWS, reserve? 😁

The company would never go for that though.

TALPAtalker 12-11-2025 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 3979497)
a quick answer to a lot of these problems, move OOBWS below GS in the coverage ladder. They could do that tomorrow.

I think farming is ridiculous and that short notice trip coverage needs to be improved, but the extent of my concerns, especially in light of MOU 25-05, stops there. The chips have fallen where they have fallen, and now it's time to advocate for a solution in the next contract, not with another MOU. To do that now, with one already pending implementation, would be the height of lunacy.

notEnuf 12-11-2025 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3979793)
What if it went GS, OOBWS, reserve? 😁

The company would never go for that though.

I don’t think they will go for any premium before any single pay or RES.

All 5 Stages 12-11-2025 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3979799)
I don’t think they will go for any premium before any single pay or RES.

Well, they're triple paying now with OOBWS before GS. Eliminating OOBWS kills most farmers, yields faster trip coverage, preserves seniority, and the Company saves 33.33% (repeating, of course). Big losers are the farmers.

A5S

igotgummed 12-12-2025 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3979800)
Well, they're triple paying now with OOBWS before GS. Eliminating OOBWS kills most farmers, yields faster trip coverage, preserves seniority, and the Company saves 33.33% (repeating, of course). Big losers are the farmers.

A5S

Eliminate OOBWS? What a stupid idea.

Verdell 12-12-2025 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3979800)
Well, they're triple paying now with OOBWS before GS. Eliminating OOBWS kills most farmers, yields faster trip coverage, preserves seniority, and the Company saves 33.33% (repeating, of course). Big losers are the farmers.

A5S

Are you suggesting that 23M7 is being triggered more often during the OOBWS step than during the WS step? Curious to see data to back this up.

notEnuf 12-12-2025 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 3979959)
Are you suggesting that 23M7 is being triggered more often during the OOBWS step than during the WS step? Curious to see data to back this up.

I'd say yes. The volume of possible OBWS is much larger especially in smaller bases. The panic button is hit when scheduling thinks they can't get through them.

CBreezy 12-12-2025 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 3979959)
Are you suggesting that 23M7 is being triggered more often during the OOBWS step than during the WS step? Curious to see data to back this up.

Anecdotal. I had a WS and a OOBWS for trips last week. There were way more people with OOBWS in and with auto accept on than those with just WS. It's also easier to have a OOBWS in because every one is a proffer and setting up proffered WS is a lot time consuming

crewdawg 12-12-2025 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 3979959)
Are you suggesting that 23M7 is being triggered more often during the OOBWS step than during the WS step? Curious to see data to back this up.


Depends on the base. In my category, ATL M7 mostly goes to in base farmers and about half of DTW m7...also goes to ATL farmers. It is funny when you do get an ATL M7, nearly half the first page of ATL717As check your schedule. Weirdos.🤣

Frank Grimes 12-12-2025 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3979799)
I don’t think they will go for any premium before any single pay or RES.

They already do. OOBWS is before GS.


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