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Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 4004901)
I don't think trip coverage is going to work like you think it will - how do you think CS will get to QS?
A QS is just a step they'll skip to when time is critical. They'll almost always still pay a 23m7 pilot, it just the trip will go out to the senior person who raises their hand rather than a free for all that the IA process is right now. Yes, that's a good thing but it's not going to change the trip coverage sequence. Good thing is QS will have a counter, so no more IA7 to some rando deal maker/ somehow extremely lucky person. |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 4004901)
I don't think trip coverage is going to work like you think it will - how do you think CS will get to QS?
A QS is just a step they'll skip to when time is critical. They'll almost always still pay a 23m7 pilot, it just the trip will go out to the senior person who raises their hand rather than a free for all that the IA process is right now. Yes, that's a good thing but it's not going to change the trip coverage sequence. |
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 4004910)
It’ll be interesting because once they start a step, they have to finish it if I’m reading everything correctly. So the M7 payments will be concentrated even more senior because some junior guy who just happened to be up when they started skipping will not get it anymore.
What they can’t do anymore is skip pilots within a step, which was taking place frequently before MOU 25-05 was signed. Scheduling would often skip directly to pilots who had manually accepted a WS/GS, knowing that they were more likely to acknowledge the trip than an auto-accept. In other cases, dealmakers would call CS directly and request a trip at the WS/GS step without waiting their turn. The company can still stop coverage mid-step, pay the affected M7 pilot whose turn it was when they stopped coverage, and skip to a later step of coverage (such as QS). |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 4004885)
I'll be glad to see it. I will also be interested to see if QS actually become sort of rare, and good ol' GS come back to traditional levels. Why? Because now that true seniority will be honored, perhaps there won't be as many pilots across all seniority levels cynically putting in all manner of in and OOB slips with the sole goal to slow down trip coverage and force the 23.M.7/IA route.
A5S |
Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
(Post 4005003)
I don't see how QS is a disincentive for the farmers to stop intentionally slowing trip coverage. And, yes, I will humbly eat crow when QS comes to fruition.
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Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 4004925)
That’s incorrect. They can (and will) continue to stop coverage mid-step, even after all elements of MOU 25-05 are fully implemented.
What they can’t do anymore is skip pilots within a step, which was taking place frequently before MOU 25-05 was signed. Scheduling would often skip directly to pilots who had manually accepted a WS/GS, knowing that they were more likely to acknowledge the trip than an auto-accept. In other cases, dealmakers would call CS directly and request a trip at the WS/GS step without waiting their turn. The company can still stop coverage mid-step, pay the affected M7 pilot whose turn it was when they stopped coverage, and skip to a later step of coverage (such as QS). A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in their judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of the rotation. |
Originally Posted by AirCoxswain
(Post 4005024)
It seems like there's a lot of pilots who've never actually read 23 M 7. Maybe, you have, and I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, but for those that think skipping ahead in the process is a contract violation. Read it. It just says "deviate from the sequences." That's pretty broad language. Where there's contract violations is when the affected pilot hasn't been paid. If they just skip WS and award it via GS, that's just as valid as skipping to IA unless there's some additional language somewhere that I haven't seen.
A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in their judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of the rotation. The comms in MOU 25-05 included the following: "The MOU also codifies the Company may not concurrently run multiple steps of coverage or use M7 within a step of trip coverage." "Within a step of trip coverage." So, it WOULD be a violation to do what I described above (skipping within a step.) Even IF the harmed pilot got paid. |
Originally Posted by AirCoxswain
(Post 4005024)
It seems like there's a lot of pilots who've never actually read 23 M 7. Maybe, you have, and I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, but for those that think skipping ahead in the process is a contract violation. Read it. It just says "deviate from the sequences." That's pretty broad language. Where there's contract violations is when the affected pilot hasn't been paid. If they just skip WS and award it via GS, that's just as valid as skipping to IA unless there's some additional language somewhere that I haven't seen.
A Crew Scheduler may deviate from the sequences under Section 23 N. or O. when, in their judgment, it is necessary to do so in order to maintain schedule integrity. In such event, the pilot who would otherwise have been awarded/assigned the rotation will receive pay and credit (or if applicable, single pay, no credit) for the scheduled value of the rotation. Skipping from WS to cover a trip using GS has always been, and still is, legal under 23.M.7 (as long as an affected pilot is paid). Skipping pilots within a step (e.g. stopping coverage during WS pilot #5’s award window to award the trip to WS pilot #100) was formerly legal under 23.M.7, but no longer is following 25-05. This is what I was describing above. Stopping coverage before a step is fully completed and using 23.M.7 to award a trip using a later step has always been, and still is legal. |
Originally Posted by Meme In Command
(Post 4004899)
Us seniority-challenged folk starting next month:
"Dear schedulin', I wrote you but you still ain't callin'. I left a White, a Yellow, and a Green slip at the bottom" https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...v9FM/giphy.gif |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 4005049)
What if you had just one slip, the trip you always wanted, would you auto acknowledge it, or let it slip?
There's a slip in iCrew, loaded and ready. Nervous, but on the surface, looks calm and ready To drop trips, but keeps on forgetting The days are black, the whole category is under attack. He clicked submit but the trip's not his. |
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