True to some extent. However, the rotations that are being built for those ATL/DTW crews are pretty horrendous. 4/5 day trips, short layovers, and lots of up and down east coast type stuff. That's gonna be fatiguing. I think one NY based NB pilot has already chimed in that they are sniping the broken up trips from those rotations. So I can see that fatigue, or just rolling delays in the operation, are going to tear those 4/5 day trips apart. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how this plan holds up in the summer months (I don't think it will stand that test).

 

I think they have the right idea...but hate spending the money to actually properly implement. They'll end up spending way more in the end but at least they didn't give the pilots nice schedules up front .

 

and in walks positive space commuting…

 

It made the operation way less reliable than the commuter policy. It's the reason they offered positive space commiting during the major irops this winter. You know, because it's not reliable

 

Welcome to NY rotations 2019-2024…long trips, short layovers, delays etc.

I think the idea of having other pilots, non Ny based, is that once they are in Ny, they can get rerouted. Specially when you have flights to ATL and DTW mostly hourly, you can borrow the CA/FO and get them back to base fairly quick.

 

I can see on paper how that makes sense. I really do. But I’d be interested to see the actual data around cause of delays, etc. I’d be willing to bet that systemic ATC delays are just as impactful, if not more, than commuting issues.

When JAX shuts down, there will be no pilots in hotels in NYC. Certainly not on time. And let’s not forget when severe weather hits ATL, now NYC has to suffer when it’s having an otherwise clear day? This all just sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

Yes, but if you have a 16 hour layover in NYC, a 3 hour delay isn't going to mess things up the next day. Most commuters come in the same day, so a 3 hour delay makes them miss their sign-in, and the flight is delayed or staffed with reserve/premium pay.

 

As I stated before, many permutations here.

What will it do to the ATL based crew that was doing say a PBI turn from JFK, down in pBI when JAX shuts down the airspace? Matters not then who is crewing the aircraft does it? The results are the same. Same could be said for the ATL crew originating the rotation with a first leg into the NYC area. NY closes down or significantly throttles the airspace. Delays. So that crew eventually gets into NY, but now that 14 hour layover has turned into 9 or 10. So now it starts to ripple. The trips I saw did not have many 16 hour layos in NYC. They had longer layos at the out base. Say like SAT or someplace like that was one of the rotations I was shown. But most of the NYC overnights were rather on the short side of it.

This is a plan they are trying out to see if, a big "if", they can improve reliability in the NE (and never forget, they hate commuters).

 

We have the playbook for operational reliability. I seem to recall 100% completion factor for 365 consecutive days. Yes there were some flights delayed 24 hours to hit that metric, but it was still an impressive showing. Our problems are not from capability or competence, it's from aspiring managers trying to "sweeten the shot" and then completely missing the target. We know how to run a reliable operation, get the spreadsheet jockeys out of the way and let the operations minded peeps run the show.
Step One: stop intentionally angering the stick actuators.

 

Correct, that’s why the clear solution…

PSC and a FL base.