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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I don’t disagree with what you write.

I am just saying that if we hypothetically trade using CNO for all reserve assignments in exchange for positive space commuting, do NOT say that that’s a concession because now you can’t exploit it when they screw that up. If they screw up the new system with CNO, then exploit away and get all the remedies you are entitled to.
Or, remove ALL commuter protections and everyone gets a hefty pay raise. Not a concession. If I follow your logic.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:24 PM
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So in your example we take from RES and give to commuters. I know it will never be a tit for tat trade in section 6 but the fear is the people giving will not receive. CNO is an easy one but 23M7 and batch sizes, the real meat of your comment removes penalties as guardrails for what?
In my example NOTHING was taken from RES.

You thinking that something was taken is proving my point.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
In my example NOTHING was taken from RES.

You thinking that something was taken is proving my point.
You said yourself there's a benefit for RES under the current system. You just see it as an expendable benefit.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Or, remove ALL commuter protections and everyone gets a hefty pay raise. Not a concession. If I follow your logic.
What protections were lost? Does anyone care if they hear a human voice or a robot voice to accomplish literally the same task? That's all that changes. If that is implemented in exchange for a meaningful gain, that's a damn good deal.

Yes, the company is less likely to make mistakes. But we dont sign contracts so that way we can exploit mistakes. We sign contracts for the contents of the contract.

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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
You said yourself there's a benefit for RES under the current system. You just see it as an expendable benefit.
I don't see it as a contractual benefit for RES under the current system. I see it as a remedy for contract violations.

The point of a contract is for the terms to be followed by both parties, not benefit from violations of the terms. No longer needing the remedy, is not a concession. That is the point.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I don't see it as a contractual benefit for RES under the current system. I see it as a remedy for contract violations.

The point of a contract is for the terms to be followed by both parties, not benefit from violations of the terms. No longer needing the remedy, is not a concession. That is the point.
You are proving my point now. More importantly what about the penalties? Are you willing to give those up for whatever you see as adequate compensation?
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
In my example NOTHING was taken from RES.

You thinking that something was taken is proving my point.
Something was taken though. Otherwise you wouldn't even have mentioned it.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
You are proving my point now. More importantly what about the penalties? Are you willing to give those up for whatever you see as adequate compensation?
In the new agreement, there would no longer be violations of assignment notifications. That isn't a bad thing. Whatever novel violations pop-up, should have penalties.

Hopefully, in general, violations decrease, and a huge quid is gained, while nothing *contractually* meaningful changes (robot vs human).
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Something was taken though. Otherwise you wouldn't even have mentioned it.
That "something" was not a contractual provision. It was a byproduct of the contract being violated. The fact that it was not a provision is key. It was a second-order consequence that a few are able to exploit.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
That "something" was not a contractual provision. It was a byproduct of the contract being violated. The fact that it was not a provision is key. It was a second-order consequence that a few are able to exploit.
What you are suggesting is to write the company into compliance. If it was a violation before, but we write in that it's no longer a violation (CNO is now fantastic for all reserve notifications yay!), please explain to me how nothing was given away.
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