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02-12-2026 | 10:14 AM
#101
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Now you’re conflating your desire to flatten seniority with a completely separate topic.
The “slip bottleneck” was 100% created by management via lousy decision making. Pilots of ALL seniority ranges have blanket slips in with AA on. As much as you want to believe the myth that 23M7 payments are only going to the top of the seniority list, it is simply not true. Trying to blame management’s issues on senior pilots is delusional.
Your upgrade is relevant to the discussion because you continually act as if the seniority system is stacked against you, through no fault of your own. We’re not going to change longstanding industry practice to suit your personal choices.
The “slip bottleneck” was 100% created by management via lousy decision making. Pilots of ALL seniority ranges have blanket slips in with AA on. As much as you want to believe the myth that 23M7 payments are only going to the top of the seniority list, it is simply not true. Trying to blame management’s issues on senior pilots is delusional.
Your upgrade is relevant to the discussion because you continually act as if the seniority system is stacked against you, through no fault of your own. We’re not going to change longstanding industry practice to suit your personal choices.
02-12-2026 | 10:16 AM
#102
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Dude, stop trying to attack me via my upgrade. It doesn't make anything I said less true. I'm not throwing a pity party for myself. I'm highlighting the truth: As much as we wanna blame the company for this, you can't ignore the fact that no amount of hired schedulers will fix the bottleneck pilots are creating via slip usage. If you bought into the narrative that seniority entitles a few to implode the coverage ladder for the rest, them let's agree to disagree.
Now you’re conflating your desire to flatten seniority with a completely separate topic.
The “slip bottleneck” was 100% created by management via lousy decision making. Pilots of ALL seniority ranges have blanket slips in with AA on. As much as you want to believe the myth that 23M7 payments are only going to the top of the seniority list, it is simply not true. Trying to blame management’s issues on senior pilots is delusional.
Your upgrade is relevant to the discussion because you continually act as if the seniority system is stacked against you, through no fault of your own. We’re not going to change longstanding industry practice to suit your personal choices.
The “slip bottleneck” was 100% created by management via lousy decision making. Pilots of ALL seniority ranges have blanket slips in with AA on. As much as you want to believe the myth that 23M7 payments are only going to the top of the seniority list, it is simply not true. Trying to blame management’s issues on senior pilots is delusional.
Your upgrade is relevant to the discussion because you continually act as if the seniority system is stacked against you, through no fault of your own. We’re not going to change longstanding industry practice to suit your personal choices.
Now you want some sort of seniority undermining concession to make it better for you. That affects many pilots, many who decided opposite of you to remain an FO and get more out of that seniority.
You can move back to FO or accept your decision. stop trying to undermine seniority here as it stands just because you moved yourself to a crappier situation seniority wise.
Last edited by Hotel Kilo; 02-12-2026 at 10:40 AM.
02-12-2026 | 10:29 AM
#103
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If the company understaffs a category, the pilots in that category ought to have dibs on premium trips. OOBWS alleviates the premium pain to the company of that understaffed category. This among other previous APC arguments against OOBWS.
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02-12-2026 | 10:44 AM
#104
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Regardless, this particular item will likely be cashed in for others that benefit more pilots during section 6. I’m in no way bitter toward pilots who have been successful farming, nor am I bitter toward other pilots who have stumbled across other good deals over the years. It’s nice to see pilots “stick it to the man” and win a few battles, even if I can’t always be part of it. I’d much rather see Delta put a few hundred million more into other pilots’ pockets than blow it on buybacks, hedges, or the countless other ways they can light cash on fire.
What I won’t do is advocate for “flattened seniority” to ensure that no pilot ever stumbles into a good deal again.
Last edited by ancman; 02-12-2026 at 10:54 AM.
02-12-2026 | 10:48 AM
#105
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Roll’n Thunder
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From: Pilot
This is not the case since December when ARCOS was updated to automaticity move to the next pilot when the previous pilot rejects or times out.
02-12-2026 | 10:58 AM
#106
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He's not attacking you meme. He simply points out that by your decision you effectively lowered your own seniority. That was your decision.
Now you want some sort of seniority undermining concession to make it better for you. That affects many pilots, many who decided opposite of you to remain an FO and get more out of that seniority.
You can move back to FO or accept your decision. stop trying to undermine seniority here as it stands just because you moved yourself to a crappier situation seniority wise.
Now you want some sort of seniority undermining concession to make it better for you. That affects many pilots, many who decided opposite of you to remain an FO and get more out of that seniority.
You can move back to FO or accept your decision. stop trying to undermine seniority here as it stands just because you moved yourself to a crappier situation seniority wise.
02-12-2026 | 11:04 AM
#107
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This right here…is the truth that many want to gloss over. Assuming it’s completely the company’s fault that we went down this road. We (the group as a whole) are making it MUCH worse. And in many ways it only hurts us. If people would actually use ARCOS to deny trips that hit, instead of waiting in hopes of 23.M.7, the process might actually work. Instead, we have a hot mess. At the end of the day, the trips get covered, so the company meets its goal. On our end, very few are happy.
A5S
02-12-2026 | 05:27 PM
#108
Racketeer
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
I don't know about 1 PD per PCS run, but I personally believe that it should go down the entire list and every pilot gets a chance to PD 1 rotation before the senior most pilot gets to PD their 2nd rotation. It's wild to me that a senior pilot can drop their entire schedule before the next guy/girl on the list gets the chance to PD even a single trip. Delta is the most seniority heavy air line I've worked for and it's not even close.
02-12-2026 | 06:02 PM
#110
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SS absolutely need leveling. One super senior pilot getting 11 days of SS in one PCS is absolute BS, and waaaaay beyond the scope or intent of “Seniority”.
Senior should obviously get first pick, but at a BARE minimum, only one SS per PCS run. Ideally, make SS have a #1 just like GS. If I were king, I’d have one counter for ALL premium, but that may be a bridge too far.
Senior should obviously get first pick, but at a BARE minimum, only one SS per PCS run. Ideally, make SS have a #1 just like GS. If I were king, I’d have one counter for ALL premium, but that may be a bridge too far.
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