Another look at the look back.
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from MOU 25-05 directly:
Any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and the start of the first full bid period following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.
Example: Assuming the completion date is August 1, 2026, any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and August 30, 2026 will not count towards sick leave lookback
upon the resumption of sick leave verification on August 31, 2026 (the start of the September bid period).
The language is pretty good here. I also don't think they want to tick us off even more as negotiations start.
Any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and the start of the first full bid period following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.
Example: Assuming the completion date is August 1, 2026, any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and August 30, 2026 will not count towards sick leave lookback
upon the resumption of sick leave verification on August 31, 2026 (the start of the September bid period).
The language is pretty good here. I also don't think they want to tick us off even more as negotiations start.
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As I understand things the 120 hour sick look back was suspended beginning July of last year. The look back will supposedly resume once the conditions that caused it are resolved.
Question. What’s to stop the company from looking back all the way to July 2025? Was there something in the arbitrator’s ruling that would prevent this? Will this be another case of the companies “interpretation”?
Question. What’s to stop the company from looking back all the way to July 2025? Was there something in the arbitrator’s ruling that would prevent this? Will this be another case of the companies “interpretation”?
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What do you mean "after the MOU?" Do you mean after it was signed? Because that's clearly and blatantly wrong. It was signed in November but the language clearly back dates the no look back to July 1.
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I've heard different rumors about the sick/well swipe and whether that has been working properly, but for the sake of hypotheticals let's say it passed the test during January and February. If Quick Slips start on 02Mar and work properly, the sick lookback would begin again during the April bid period?
Temporary Suspension of Sick Leave Verification
A. The “completion date” as used in this Paragraph 6. means the later of the date upon
which the Company completes the programming:
(1) for pilots to submit QSs and for the new QS step of coverage to become effective, and
(2) that ensures sick and well notifications entered via the Company app (e.g., MiCrew)
are processed correctly as determined by no more than 10 unique submissions to the
ALPA DART system regarding any single distinct processing failure of the Company app
which requires further action by the pilot over two full consecutive bid periods.
Exception: DARTs associated with identified periods of technological outage will be
excluded from the measurement.
Note: The Company will notify ALPA in advance of the start of the two full
consecutive bid period measurement window. DARTs collected during the
measurement window will be provided to the Company upon receipt and then
validated with Company data. Valid DARTs will be used to determine if the
completion requirements have been met as stated in Paragraph 6. A. (2) above. If the
completion requirements have not been met, the Company will identify when the next
two bid period measurement window will begin. If the completion requirements have
been met, verification in accordance with the PWA Section 14 F. 3. will resume in
the next full bid period.
B. No pilot will be required to verify their sick leave under Section 14 F. 3. until the
completion date.
C. Any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and the start of the first full bid period
following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.
Example: Assuming the completion date is August 1, 2026, any sick leave hours used
between July 1, 2025 and August 30, 2026 will not count towards sick leave lookback
upon the resumption of sick leave verification on August 31, 2026 (the start of the
September bid period).
Based on this I'd say if sick/well swipe passes muster in Jan & Feb, I'd say look back starts 02March since that's when QS starts.
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6.
Temporary Suspension of Sick Leave Verification
A. The “completion date” as used in this Paragraph 6. means the later of the date upon
which the Company completes the programming:
(1) for pilots to submit QSs and for the new QS step of coverage to become effective, and
(2) that ensures sick and well notifications entered via the Company app (e.g., MiCrew)
are processed correctly as determined by no more than 10 unique submissions to the
ALPA DART system regarding any single distinct processing failure of the Company app
which requires further action by the pilot over two full consecutive bid periods.
Exception: DARTs associated with identified periods of technological outage will be
excluded from the measurement.
Note: The Company will notify ALPA in advance of the start of the two full
consecutive bid period measurement window. DARTs collected during the
measurement window will be provided to the Company upon receipt and then
validated with Company data. Valid DARTs will be used to determine if the
completion requirements have been met as stated in Paragraph 6. A. (2) above. If the
completion requirements have not been met, the Company will identify when the next
two bid period measurement window will begin. If the completion requirements have
been met, verification in accordance with the PWA Section 14 F. 3. will resume in
the next full bid period.
B. No pilot will be required to verify their sick leave under Section 14 F. 3. until the
completion date.
C. Any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and the start of the first full bid period
following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.
Example: Assuming the completion date is August 1, 2026, any sick leave hours used
between July 1, 2025 and August 30, 2026 will not count towards sick leave lookback
upon the resumption of sick leave verification on August 31, 2026 (the start of the
September bid period).
Based on this I'd say if sick/well swipe passes muster in Jan & Feb, I'd say look back starts 02March since that's when QS starts.
Temporary Suspension of Sick Leave Verification
A. The “completion date” as used in this Paragraph 6. means the later of the date upon
which the Company completes the programming:
(1) for pilots to submit QSs and for the new QS step of coverage to become effective, and
(2) that ensures sick and well notifications entered via the Company app (e.g., MiCrew)
are processed correctly as determined by no more than 10 unique submissions to the
ALPA DART system regarding any single distinct processing failure of the Company app
which requires further action by the pilot over two full consecutive bid periods.
Exception: DARTs associated with identified periods of technological outage will be
excluded from the measurement.
Note: The Company will notify ALPA in advance of the start of the two full
consecutive bid period measurement window. DARTs collected during the
measurement window will be provided to the Company upon receipt and then
validated with Company data. Valid DARTs will be used to determine if the
completion requirements have been met as stated in Paragraph 6. A. (2) above. If the
completion requirements have not been met, the Company will identify when the next
two bid period measurement window will begin. If the completion requirements have
been met, verification in accordance with the PWA Section 14 F. 3. will resume in
the next full bid period.
B. No pilot will be required to verify their sick leave under Section 14 F. 3. until the
completion date.
C. Any sick leave hours used between July 1, 2025 and the start of the first full bid period
following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.
Example: Assuming the completion date is August 1, 2026, any sick leave hours used
between July 1, 2025 and August 30, 2026 will not count towards sick leave lookback
upon the resumption of sick leave verification on August 31, 2026 (the start of the
September bid period).
Based on this I'd say if sick/well swipe passes muster in Jan & Feb, I'd say look back starts 02March since that's when QS starts.
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following the completion date, will not count towards, or be considered for purposes of,
sick leave verification lookback under Section 14 F.”
After the MOU [is effective].
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We'll find out soon if the Micrew sick/well test passed, but there's a pretty decent chance that it didn't.
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I got an ALPA blast a few days ago reminding people to send in screen shots of the errors after they experience a failure, and my immediate reaction was “oh the company is just going to say they’re in compliance”…again. I see it going to yet another grievance after they claim the 10 unique DARTs aren’t “unique” enough, or something to that effect.
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