Green Stamps is a pop culture reference that perhaps you are too young to remember. Maybe you have to be Gen X or older. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&H_Green_Stamps. Apologies if I assumed the term was more well known.

The point is that we wasted a lot of time, energy, dues money, and good will (when there still was some left…) with the company on getting the 747 pilots’ jobs back. All to defend a bunch of cheaters. We had some pilots who played a game, so the company did so in return. Like needlessly maxing SC’s the summer of 2017 (when that was rare).

I guess I just don’t understand people who refuse to acknowledge there are a very few bad apples amongst us, but seem to be willing to die on the hill defending their bad actions Ad Infinitum . Because of what? “Unionism!” Is there no line a pilot can’t cross?

Again, as an academic discussion…

 

YES! The S&H book!

"Okay, lick em & stick em. You kids pick out anything you want. How about an iron and a bowling ball?"

"Gee whiz, Dad, thanks!"

 

I don’t see how we spent any “good will” on them. The company and ALPA followed a prescribed process in the contract, and the company lost (other than taking some pay).

SCs below max never should have been an assumption in the first place. Frankly, either side is foolish not to extract maximum permissible value from the contract.

We all acknowledge that there are bad apples out there. The company must still follow a contractual process to take action against them. Some of the things that others have suggested, like putting the burden of proof on pilots to prove that they were in position for SC (retroactively), are totally outside the bounds of the contract.

Having our contractual due process in place is important because management does occasionally attempt to take action against pilots who are 100% in the right. They would do so more often if due process were removed.

 

if only the sausage-making was that simple.

 

Sure it's possible, and probably happens with some regularity over the whole company, but it would involve either buying full fare tickets on other airlines, or using someone else's other airline nonrev benefits, and never using KCM in either case. I doubt there is any domestic commuter at this company who does that regularly themselves.

Delta could track the commuting activity of most (air) commuters here very well. Whether it's enough to make a firing stick or not, maybe we're about to find out. I wouldn't bet my career on it though.

 

If there truly "in place" then there is nothing to prove as they answer the phone and go to work!

 

not required to answer the phone

 

The discussion is over whether pilots should be required to retroactively prove that they were in place for unused short calls.

 

not quite, since this situation is (allegedly) about sick calls on sc.

 

If I was a judge, and a guy called in sick every time for 3 years, i would have no issues supporting termination. Ridiculous behavior (that probably never happened)