Haha, this did make me chuckle and no hard feelings.You’re conflating the discussion resulting from your post with the quality of your post. The useful info here came from everyone but you!

 

Exactly what did you hope to accomplish by sharing the "news" of this pilot's termination? Obviously, you heard it from a management source. Maybe yourself?

Were you hoping to scare everyone into flying sick to help Ed? Increas your MIP bonus? It sure wasn't to help the pilot group.

Explain your motivation.

 

The individual's specifics aren't our business, except to the extent that there is systemwide fallout. Then it's all our business. I got maxed out SC for an entire summer after those 747 guys got caught. And ALPA had to burn a lot of green stamps to get them thier jobs back. That IS our business.

But yes, we probably shouldn't speculate their specifics without actual knowledge.

Well, this is really all academic, since we don't actually know what the ground truth is (and we may never know). I'm discussing it in the broad strokes/general sense, not this specific individual's circumstances. But IF it is a situation where there is some combination of zero evidence of any commuting (like the aforementioned 747 pilots) while living 3 states away, and/or only calling in sick once an assignment is actually give, but (virtually) every time? That's not about "using thier sick benefit", that's very likely abusing. Again, enough circumstantial evidence can still legitimately convict someone of actual crimes like capital murder. If some/all of those things are true here, that's good enough to get a deep dive into an individual's actions, and if they substantiate their suspicions with evidence, then once again, I have zero sympathy or loyalty to defend them 'to the death'. There comes a point where even some of our own can cross a line. Sorry, not sorry.

But again, I totally agree they need to have a pretty open/shut case to fire someone for that. And they deserve at least a defense by ALPA.

 

What in the world are “green stamps?” The grievances went to arbitration and the arbitrator restored their jobs. It wasn’t a horse trade with the company or a few dozen carton of cigarettes. There is a contractual process.

but thanks for restating everthing I said, only using more words

 

Exactly. If the process required ALPA to trade meaningful capital, then management would fire pilots on a daily basis.

 

Lolz, if some dude calls in sick for every assignment that’s absolutely gross abuse. No sympathy. Fire them. We cant ***** about the low integrity of the company whilst simultaneously supporting 3 years of no shows. That’s ridiculous.

Obviously this is all an academic an exercise, since no one knows what actually happened

 

enough lack of evidence can absolutely be evidence. If hypothetically your home of record is Dallas and you are based in DTW and in every case where you call in sick after getting an assignment on SC

1) there is no record of KCM swipes at either airport around any of your SCs
and
2) there is no record of you listing on any DL flight or being run through CASS

But those regularly show up when you do actually come into work, I would say the burden would fall on you to prove you were actually where you were supposed to be.

side note, I am aware of the grievance about 24X and our personal devices, but I’ve always assumed anything on the company issued iPad is fair game for them to track (like location). is that correct?

 

or counterpoint, we absolutely CAN complain about the blatant dishonesty of the like dozen corporate leaders who are never punished for lying and regularly receive bonuses for it, while still recognizing that one pilot out of 17500 MAYBE behaved dishonestly. But that perhaps the onus is on the company to prove it. I have personally looked at the behavior of managers at this company and felt less inclined to follow the rules of the road, since they only apply to us.

i can walk and chew gum.

 

Walk and chew Gumm?

 

In whose eyes, the CPO’s / RD’s? There’s a reason why most of their termination attempts ultimately fail in arbitration.

It is entirely possible for a commuter to get into position for SC without leaving any trace that Delta can see. Not all commuters are full-time commuters either.

Again, I’m not defending anyone who shirks their SC responsibilities. But there is nothing in our contract requiring any pilot to “prove” that they were in position for SC — especially after the fact.