Schedule Quality Decreasing
04-03-2026 | 06:24 AM
#51
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Since we are playing pretend, let's just demand a billion hours per day. The company has to give it to us because we ask.
Over half the company commutes. Adding language that disproportionately harms over half the list is silly. If you want money, raise rates. Soft pay purpose is to affect rotation quality
Over half the company commutes. Adding language that disproportionately harms over half the list is silly. If you want money, raise rates. Soft pay purpose is to affect rotation quality
04-03-2026 | 06:38 AM
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Since we are playing pretend, let's just demand a billion hours per day. The company has to give it to us because we ask.
Over half the company commutes. Adding language that disproportionately harms over half the list is silly. If you want money, raise rates. Soft pay purpose is to affect rotation quality
Over half the company commutes. Adding language that disproportionately harms over half the list is silly. If you want money, raise rates. Soft pay purpose is to affect rotation quality
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04-03-2026 | 06:40 AM
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Right now we only see that pattern with non-daily service into Europe, mostly during shoulder seasons. Its my personal dream schedule. Depends where home is ... it makes living in Europe and commuting more practical ... as you can easily stay acclimated to Europe time in ways that aren't very practical now (48 hr layovers also mitigate 30/168 issues quite nicely).
My point is not to convince others of my preferences, but to point out this isn't some scary lose-lose like you've make it out to be. It's all about preferences and trade-offs, like everything around scheduling provisions.
My point is not to convince others of my preferences, but to point out this isn't some scary lose-lose like you've make it out to be. It's all about preferences and trade-offs, like everything around scheduling provisions.
04-03-2026 | 07:17 AM
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worth mentioning that if you look at survey results, 2/3 of the pilot group “prefers” commutable rotations despite less than half actually identifying as one. Alpa is driven by feedback. Commuting may not be your thing, but the vast majority of the pilots here want trips that look commutable.
04-03-2026 | 07:21 AM
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worth mentioning that if you look at survey results, 2/3 of the pilot group “prefers” commutable rotations despite less than half actually identifying as one. Alpa is driven by feedback. Commuting may not be your thing, but the vast majority of the pilots here want trips that look commutable.
There's also quite a few people who aren't necessarily commuters but still drive 2+ hours to the employee lot. That makes early shows and late releases tough too.
04-03-2026 | 07:45 AM
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I believe that, though. Of course people want to start work later and finish earlier. That isn't necessarily unique to commuters.
There's also quite a few people who aren't necessarily commuters but still drive 2+ hours to the employee lot. That makes early shows and late releases tough too.
There's also quite a few people who aren't necessarily commuters but still drive 2+ hours to the employee lot. That makes early shows and late releases tough too.
For me, preferred report (assuming JFK) is 1000-1500
Minimal traffic without getting up at 0245 for a 0500 report.
04-03-2026 | 09:55 AM
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Still waiting for ATL-LIS because I would like a direct flight from my home
04-03-2026 | 10:05 AM
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if I’m not mistaken it’s because of the departure time on the flight back. The non acclimated report times for an early AM Europe departure make it difficult/ impossible to make it work legally, where the late PM departure to Europe has a later report time for the flight back and less likely a 2 pilot crew will time out.
doesn’t make the flight there suck any less though.
doesn’t make the flight there suck any less though.
04-03-2026 | 11:43 AM
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I've chatted with some pilots who wanted to push for higher ADG in the next contract. Just realize if this is what you're asking for, it's not "free money", the company will keep optimizing trips into higher block so we're not really benefiting, just working harder. Ask some of the older guys how some of the 1 leg duty days were before ADG was a thing. IMO it will always be better to have a pick of how efficient you want your trips rather than force everyone into optimized garbage. We're seeing some of this now.
04-03-2026 | 11:55 AM
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I hear this all the time, but we already have multiple 10 plus hr duty days. Not much will change, and if they squeeze more flying in, it would quickly be fatiguing. I call BS on this. This was a talking point from super sr guys when schedules werent as bad as they are now. ATL 320, you can guarantee a 3 day is always 3/2/3, and 2 day is 3/3. Not sure what else you can do to make those worse.
Let people have the option to bid for those if they want. Or let people bid for the high block trips. Don't force everyone into high block max duty trips.
It's not BS either. As several have said here, the scheduling committee ran trials and the result was awful, even when adding +0.5 ADG.
Don't vote for this unless you get the actual data from your rep and are okay with it.
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