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Old 02-19-2026 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SteelStingray
Yea don’t smoke or drink…always was made fun of being to boring while I was active lol. So, truly got no clue. The wife and I do some marital counseling right after we got married 5 years ago so maybe that?
Shrink didn’t get you talking about combat, did they? Myself and a few friends had that topic of conversation in common.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
I’m not a “company man” by any stretch, but I find this to be a bit out of touch. Delta is my 4th airline, second legacy, and this place is by far the most “normal” of the bunch from a cultural perspective, in my opinion.
I’ve worked at a few different airlines too. This is the most “company-leaning” predispositioned pilot group I’ve ever worked at. At least in ATL and NYC.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJphlyer
I’ve worked at a few different airlines too. This is the most “company-leaning” predispositioned pilot group I’ve ever worked at. At least in ATL and NYC.
That may be true, to be honest. We have a huge number of pilots who came straight from the Military, and Delta is their only airline experience. For good or bad, they’ve missed out on seeing behind the curtain of how airline management works - often deliberately against their pilot groups. That may contribute to what you’re referencing.

Still, I think I’d much prefer that over the toxicity that permeates through American, for example. Those guys are miserable. All of them. Or United’s forever lingering, bordering on bizarre fixation with scabs that has resulted in an unhealthy worship of ALPA.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
That may be true, to be honest. We have a huge number of pilots who came straight from the Military, and Delta is their only airline experience. For good or bad, they’ve missed out on seeing behind the curtain of how airline management works - often deliberately against their pilot groups. That may contribute to what you’re referencing.

Still, I think I’d much prefer that over the toxicity that permeates through American, for example. Those guys are miserable. All of them. Or United’s forever lingering, bordering on bizarre fixation with scabs that has resulted in an unhealthy worship of ALPA.
As a mil guy, I think you’re underestimating the level of disdain many mil pilots had for their leadership teams when they were in. The majority of mil pilots are guys who did their min time and punched…and the vast majority saw behind the curtain at how they (the collective “they”) were treated by their leadership.

Spineless leadership, confusing decisions, undermining and questioning of pilots decisions…those aren’t exclusive to the airlines.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
As a mil guy, I think you’re underestimating the level of disdain many mil pilots had for their leadership teams when they were in. The majority of mil pilots are guys who did their min time and punched…and the vast majority saw behind the curtain at how they (the collective “they”) were treated by their leadership.

Spineless leadership, confusing decisions, undermining and questioning of pilots decisions…those aren’t exclusive to the airlines.
Nailed it. While there’s company sympathizers of all backgrounds, most of the most militant anti-company DL pilots I know were prior military (once past their first year or so).
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Old 02-20-2026 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
As a mil guy, I think you’re underestimating the level of disdain many mil pilots had for their leadership teams when they were in. The majority of mil pilots are guys who did their min time and punched…and the vast majority saw behind the curtain at how they (the collective “they”) were treated by their leadership.

Spineless leadership, confusing decisions, undermining and questioning of pilots decisions…those aren’t exclusive to the airlines.
Fair enough. That’s all completely foreign to me for sure.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
As a mil guy, I think you’re underestimating the level of disdain many mil pilots had for their leadership teams when they were in. The majority of mil pilots are guys who did their min time and punched…and the vast majority saw behind the curtain at how they (the collective “they”) were treated by their leadership.

Spineless leadership, confusing decisions, undermining and questioning of pilots decisions…those aren’t exclusive to the airlines.
A common refrain in the Air Force was "we need a better union."
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Old 02-20-2026 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
Fair enough. That’s all completely foreign to me for sure.
This forum will have you believe that if you're not militantly anti- company then you're a company shill. Some dudes want you to be as mad about batch sizes as if you were getting furloughed post 9/11.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
This forum will have you believe that if you're not militantly anti- company then you're a company shill. Some dudes want you to be as mad about batch sizes as if you were getting furloughed post 9/11.
The Facebook groups are even worse. I think that mindset is a bit problematic & can lead to a Boy Who Cried Wolf responsefrom the people who need to be listening. We create our own disadvantages at times.

That’s a huge contributor to American’s culture of misery issue, IMO. They have been vocally miserable for what feels like decades. Very much rightfully so at times, to be fair. But their bitching no longer packs a punch. It’s just noise at this point. That’s a pretty bad place to be when it comes time to sit at the proverbial Section 6 table.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
Fair enough. That’s all completely foreign to me for sure.
Of course. And I never worked for a regional, so that world is something I don’t know much about.

But I imagine the differences aren’t as drastic as we think.
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