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05-23-2012, 08:21 AM
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Also you math gurus, at the end of this deal, what raise is need to get to C2K 2004 rates?
05-23-2012, 08:22 AM
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Too funny.
Hey, question.
If Delta wants this contract so badly right now why are we to believe they wouldn't renegotiate fixes to a rejected TA just as fast?
Hey, question.
If Delta wants this contract so badly right now why are we to believe they wouldn't renegotiate fixes to a rejected TA just as fast?
05-23-2012, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
The biggest problem with the TA is that it is not what the pilots asked for in the survey. The problem we have is not with the company, but with ALPA. In this case ALPA has taken the position that they believe they know what is best for us. Why even bother surveying the pilot group then? No where in the survey was I asked what I would be willing to accept to get a quick deal. The survey was geared toward a normal section 6 process. Basically we have had almost no input as to what we would be willing to accept to get a quick deal. We have not been asked our time value of money.
If we ratify this TA we set a dangerous precedent, showing ALPA that they can ignore our input, or in this case not ask our input when it became clear that an expedited process might be possible.
We all pay dues to be represented and have our voices heard. In this instance, ALPA has ignored our input and crafted a TA based on the company's desire to get a deal quick. Who has ALPA represented here?
If we ratify this TA we set a dangerous precedent, showing ALPA that they can ignore our input, or in this case not ask our input when it became clear that an expedited process might be possible.
We all pay dues to be represented and have our voices heard. In this instance, ALPA has ignored our input and crafted a TA based on the company's desire to get a deal quick. Who has ALPA represented here?
I strongly suggest a talk or two with each of your reps, and then go from there.
05-23-2012, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Too funny.
Hey, question.
If Delta wants this contract so badly right now why are we to believe they wouldn't renegotiate fixes to a rejected TA just as fast?
Hey, question.
If Delta wants this contract so badly right now why are we to believe they wouldn't renegotiate fixes to a rejected TA just as fast?
True, and it is something I am weighing. There is a lot of reason to think about this. The converse is true too. Would they stay stick it, and then go ahead with their plans anyway, leaving us out in the cold, and not enjoying any of the improvements? Honest question all need to answer, and not one based on anger or fear
(There are a lot of changes in here that are impressive, and the actual costing is always higher than the modeling)
05-23-2012, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Just to throw some fact out there:
NWA bankruptcy wages in 2006:
12yr FO 757 = $96.75
12 yr FO A320= $93.12
Current TA January 2013:
12yr FO 7ER = $145.63
12yr FO A320 = $134.76
So these wages are between 43% & 50% more than the NWA bk rates which is more than I had expected. I don't have the pay tables for prior to bk at NWA or DAL so I don't really know what they look like in relation to those figures. I just can't believe that the bk rates were that bad. I just guess my mind doesn't want to remember those days.
NWA bankruptcy wages in 2006:
12yr FO 757 = $96.75
12 yr FO A320= $93.12
Current TA January 2013:
12yr FO 7ER = $145.63
12yr FO A320 = $134.76
So these wages are between 43% & 50% more than the NWA bk rates which is more than I had expected. I don't have the pay tables for prior to bk at NWA or DAL so I don't really know what they look like in relation to those figures. I just can't believe that the bk rates were that bad. I just guess my mind doesn't want to remember those days.
05-23-2012, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Also you math gurus, at the end of this deal, what raise is need to get to C2K 2004 rates?
05-23-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Why aren't you commenting on the Average Daily Credit for reserves now being included in the formula? Seems like a significant improvement. For 2010 my pay would have been ~ 10 thousand more based on this provision alone. Am I interpreting this provision incorrectly?
The optimizer parameters will be reset to reflect the new contract.
05-23-2012, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Invalid. if this POS is passed, rotations would look completely different than they do now.
The optimizer parameters will be reset to reflect the new contract.
The optimizer parameters will be reset to reflect the new contract.
05-23-2012, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Invalid. if this POS is passed, rotations will look completely different than they do now.
The optimizer parameters will be reset to reflect the new contract.
The optimizer parameters will be reset to reflect the new contract.
Yes, current 3 day trips with an allnighter attached at the end will be worth 13:30 instead of 11 hours. That is an improvement for many 737 and 767 pilots.
05-23-2012, 08:49 AM
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