JungleBus

You know, that thought actually occurred to me on day one. I thought "you know, if scope really was better like ALPA is saying, that kinda makes the mediocre pay raises defensible." But if ALPA really considered themselves giving up negotiating capital for this section 1, they got taken to the cleaners. The changes to section 1 simply allow management to do what they sorely wanted and needed to do to make outsourcing continue to work: replace old inefficient airframes with efficient new ones. It makes DCI cheaper, and once again makes mainline pilots the choice of last resort.

Sink r8

One quick question, before I answer your post. Are you currently, as your title says, a regional CA?

contrails

I'll have to disagree with you which ordinarily I would not do.

The overwhelming majority of the names on the seniority lists at the vendor airlines cringe at the thought of scope eroding by just one more airframe. Any that don't are likely the 'lifer' type, and those aren't the ones now at Delta with a chance to vote.

I can't imagine they'd become less-so when they're the ones at the company that outsources those jets out.

JungleBus

Yessir, Compass to be exact. I feel a little out of place participating in the T/A debate here, but I'm quite close to flowing and will likely live under this T/A for a few years. I don't get a vote, but it will certainly affect me. Understand that my views on scope are considerably colored by having seen the two-tier outsourcing system up close and personal for the last eight years.

gloopy

You are where I heard it from, and it makes sense as a number of the NNP work rules are quite concessionary especially from a staffing perspective. It is absolutely asinine to then go negotiate/pay for an early out and *hope* to get a similar number of pilots that are 100% going to retire anyway to retire sooner and calling that a wash. The lost positions will be lost forever and the retirements that maybe would have offset them initially would have occured anyway.

Dumbest way to bargain I've ever seen. Seriously. I am stunned by that "logic".

Sink r8

OK, thanks. If you're ready to flow...

I'll be glad to stipulate we're probably grossly overpaying for Section1 improvements, but it's hard to tell how much the most important section is worth. You're forgetting (/not aware yet) that this TA does a lot of cleaning up in aisle 1, not just the DCI end.

Regardless, the mechanism for dumping 50-seaters is contingent upon deals with DCI carriers and lessors, and those entities aren't going to let Delta out of contracts without some quid pro quo. Now, Bombardier would probably bend over backwards to trade in 50-seaters for C-Series at mainline, but Skywest wouldn't.

You can be livid all day long that we're funding and facilitating the trade of 50-seaters, and you can argue we're not getting paid enough, but you can't argue the company can simply upgauge the fleet without this, or some similar maneuver. You also have to acknowledge they're [deleted] if we do nothing... but we're just as [deleted] if we do nothing. Hence the marginal rates.

I stand by the post above, but not too close, because of all the shiIIing...

Hope you get to move to Delta soon.

Regards,

Sink r8.

Boomer

All Comair, SKW, and ASA 70s seat 65. The 70s going to GoJetsss seat 65 as well.

All Comair 50s seat 50 (this includes the Comair 50s at SKW, ASA, 9E, and XJ, by the way)

gloopy

What is the cost of breaking contracts with the regionals? Unless DL has signed some poison pill agreements just so that they can't get out of them, I doubt its that much. When DL fired ACA when they tried their little Independance Air stunt, all DL was on the hook for were the leases on the D328 jets. It was easy to replace too.

dragon

Apparently, this was part of the survey. Guys wanted to raise the reserve guarantee and have the ability to work more.

Again, I think we've been conditioned to work harder not smarter.

Contracts are to protect us from ourselves I think more than from the Company.

Sink r8

This is true. If you don't consider it a bad practice to try to break contracts, and you don't think it will affect your ability to conduct business with third parties, and you don't think it will torpedo your cerdit, then getting rid of 50-seaters is no problem. I didn't think of that.

Do you think they might sue, tough?