Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2012, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Management will park more of the existing mainline fleet. The snapshot for ratios doesn't occur for a couple years. Everything in this new proposal that can be exploited will be. The above math equation will go lurching off into left field.
05-23-2012, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Yes, current 3 day trips with an allnighter attached at the end will be worth 13:30 instead of 11 hours. That is an improvement for many 737 and 767 pilots.
05-23-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
I think I agree with Carl on this one 
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05-23-2012, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Do you have facts to back up your claim on us giving up 300 positions? I haven't seen that released by the union.
05-23-2012, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
631 total RJs (unlimited 50 seat and Q-400s allowed):
376 50s 18,800 seats
102 70s 7,140 seats
153 76s 11,628 seats
Total= 37,568 seats
With TA: 450 RJs Capped
125 50s = 6,250
102 70s = 7,140 seats
223 76s (32 less) = 16,948
Scope up or Scope down?
376 50s 18,800 seats
102 70s 7,140 seats
153 76s 11,628 seats
Total= 37,568 seats
With TA: 450 RJs Capped
125 50s = 6,250
102 70s = 7,140 seats
223 76s (32 less) = 16,948
Scope up or Scope down?
Here's a point I've been thinking about the last day or so. Let's say this passes. 2015 rolls around, now you guys REALLY want a restoration contract, a labor-friendly Prez is still in the white house, and somehow you guys get released to strike. Management has 325 relatively efficient, 2-class airframes with 2000-2300 mi range off your list. I think they could operate a fairly decent coast-to-coast network with those assets through a strike, enough to at least get the HVC's where they're going. Meanwhile they have KLM/Air France, and other codeshare/JVs to move everyone overseas. Sure they'd lose money, but I think they'd be confident they could weather the strike and force you guys to back down. Give up enough scope, you make yourselves irrelevant.
05-23-2012, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
Let me throw this out to you. I have no inside information or influence but this is just food for thought. Let's say this TA is resubmitted with the following changes, would it be acceptable?
1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
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1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
BD
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05-23-2012, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Here's a point I've been thinking about the last day or so. Let's say this passes. 2015 rolls around, now you guys REALLY want a restoration contract, a labor-friendly Prez is still in the white house, and somehow you guys get released to strike. Management has 325 relatively efficient, 2-class airframes with 2000-2300 mi range off your list. I think they could operate a fairly decent coast-to-coast network with those assets through a strike, enough to at least get the HVC's where they're going. Meanwhile they have KLM/Air France, and other codeshare/JVs to move everyone overseas. Sure they'd lose money, but I think they'd be confident they could weather the strike and force you guys to back down. Give up enough scope, you make yourselves irrelevant.
05-23-2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
Allowing management to dump 250 old, inefficient RJs they've been dying to get rid of anyways and letting them by 70 new, efficient, 757-CASM mainline replacement jets they've been dying to get their hands on? Scope down.
Here's a point I've been thinking about the last day or so. Let's say this passes. 2015 rolls around, now you guys REALLY want a restoration contract, a labor-friendly Prez is still in the white house, and somehow you guys get released to strike. Management has 325 relatively efficient, 2-class airframes with 2000-2300 mi range off your list. I think they could operate a fairly decent coast-to-coast network with those assets through a strike, enough to at least get the HVC's where they're going. Meanwhile they have KLM/Air France, and other codeshare/JVs to move everyone overseas. Sure they'd lose money, but I think they'd be confident they could weather the strike and force you guys to back down. Give up enough scope, you make yourselves irrelevant.
Here's a point I've been thinking about the last day or so. Let's say this passes. 2015 rolls around, now you guys REALLY want a restoration contract, a labor-friendly Prez is still in the white house, and somehow you guys get released to strike. Management has 325 relatively efficient, 2-class airframes with 2000-2300 mi range off your list. I think they could operate a fairly decent coast-to-coast network with those assets through a strike, enough to at least get the HVC's where they're going. Meanwhile they have KLM/Air France, and other codeshare/JVs to move everyone overseas. Sure they'd lose money, but I think they'd be confident they could weather the strike and force you guys to back down. Give up enough scope, you make yourselves irrelevant.
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05-23-2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
Except then you get into the whole scab thing, flying struck work and all. The situation you describe is a lot messier than you presented.
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05-23-2012, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wrong. If we vote this in, it will be only because many junior (former RJ pilots) voted YES. Current RJ pilots will view this as the last straw for taking away a bigger chunk of their chance for a mainline job. They will not consider it struck work...they will consider it payback. Book it.
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