Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-27-2012 | 03:18 PM
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Those numbers are absolutely ridiculous. They are not in any way close to the actual CASM numbers. Individual aircraft CASM numbers are very closely held numbers in a company. A company like Skywest pays for some of the costs of its aircraft and some other costs are pass through costs that go to Delta or United. Please list your source and if it is some internet web site then I will give a preemptive YGTBSM.
Seriously, if you ask any airline analyst and suggest that a CRJ-900 has a lower CASM than a 737-800 then they will laugh in your face. List your source.
Seriously, if you ask any airline analyst and suggest that a CRJ-900 has a lower CASM than a 737-800 then they will laugh in your face. List your source.
And forgive us if we don't just take your word for it, afterall, you committee guys are trying to get us to buy off on this thing like a frantic used car dealer. We'd like hard numbers.
Thanks.
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05-27-2012 | 03:20 PM
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05-27-2012 | 03:26 PM
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05-27-2012 | 03:57 PM
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05-27-2012 | 04:03 PM
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Here I put the link of the source data at the bottom...
But I kept the dudes in the background.
I think my issue with this, imho scope concession, is we're expanding the threat to our jobs in exchange for diminishing the non-threat aircraft. I think if I could pull a trick, like this scope concession, on someone I'd be biting my tongue the entire time trying not to laugh and scream SUCKER!
Also, the press release in August for the 739 order specifically said there were being ordered to replace the 763s, 757s and A320s. Note what's missing? The MD-88. http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/delta/47827/
I think that 88 B717s is about 75% of the current 88 fleet. Add in 90s and CRJ900s and you've pretty much replaced that fleet. So I just don't see much hiring with the 717... especially if they come with pilots... so I just don't see that as a good carrot. I am afraid come DOS we're just going to get beat over the head by the stick that was holding that carrot. I always envisioned 717s as growth aircraft, till they got tied IN THE TA to CRJ-900s. source: TA
Then it became clear they 717s are not growth aircraft.
But I kept the dudes in the background.
I think my issue with this, imho scope concession, is we're expanding the threat to our jobs in exchange for diminishing the non-threat aircraft. I think if I could pull a trick, like this scope concession, on someone I'd be biting my tongue the entire time trying not to laugh and scream SUCKER!
Also, the press release in August for the 739 order specifically said there were being ordered to replace the 763s, 757s and A320s. Note what's missing? The MD-88. http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/delta/47827/
I think that 88 B717s is about 75% of the current 88 fleet. Add in 90s and CRJ900s and you've pretty much replaced that fleet. So I just don't see much hiring with the 717... especially if they come with pilots... so I just don't see that as a good carrot. I am afraid come DOS we're just going to get beat over the head by the stick that was holding that carrot. I always envisioned 717s as growth aircraft, till they got tied IN THE TA to CRJ-900s. source: TA
Then it became clear they 717s are not growth aircraft.
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05-27-2012 | 04:04 PM
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Touche. Although I agree with Hockeypilot on most issues, he sh!t the bed with that "military pilots" comment.
Hockey, my man, I'm a mil guy/reservist and I'm campaigning like hell to shoot this thing down.
Let's focus on defeating this abominable TA.
Hockey, my man, I'm a mil guy/reservist and I'm campaigning like hell to shoot this thing down.
Let's focus on defeating this abominable TA.
05-27-2012 | 04:06 PM
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05-27-2012 | 04:06 PM
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05-27-2012 | 04:08 PM
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A major issue for me is that if we sign off on this thing, it becomes the new baseline.
We can't gripe about our crap rates "due to bankruptcy" if we allow this TA to pass--we would have endorsed a cost-neutral contract when the company is poised to make $2 billion!
To the guys who (once again) say "this sets us up nicely for the next contract", well, if we can't do it when the company's about to make billions, we won't do it next time, either.
We are throwing away our last chance to set ourselves up to reclaim our pre-BK QOL.
We can't gripe about our crap rates "due to bankruptcy" if we allow this TA to pass--we would have endorsed a cost-neutral contract when the company is poised to make $2 billion!
To the guys who (once again) say "this sets us up nicely for the next contract", well, if we can't do it when the company's about to make billions, we won't do it next time, either.
We are throwing away our last chance to set ourselves up to reclaim our pre-BK QOL.
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