Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-27-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Okay, this is exactly from the report you cited:
So quit misleading people by quoting those numbers. Even the source of those numbers say your comparison is misleading.
So quit misleading people by quoting those numbers. Even the source of those numbers say your comparison is misleading.
You didn't finish the quote: From Oliver Wyman's report page 19 starting right after the words you quoted goes on to say:
Instead, a more segmented view of CASM is needed to compare performance. In Exhibit 18 we have grouped the costs into four buckets: defined specifically for this regional carrier analysis: Indirect costs (including ground handling), Fuel, Other (including engine maintenance and aircraft ownership), and Modified Direct CASM (including pilots, pilot training, airframe maintenance, maintenance burden, and other direct costs, but NOT aircraft ownership, engine maintenance, and fuel & oil costs). The last bucket includes cost items that are universally paid for by the regional airline and therefore represent the best measure of comparison. While a small portion of the regionals’ total costs, it is on the basis of these costs that regional carriers tend to compete for new flying from mainline partners.
, but you get my point.
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05-27-2012, 04:42 PM
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Delta wants to acquire 3 aircraft right now. The 739, 717 and CRJ900. I think it's obvious why the 739, it's got to have great CASMs. The 717? SWA is giving it away, you can't really refuse that especially when you have a huge fleet of make and model.
The CRJ900? Well, why would they be tripping over themselves to get more CRJ-900s? What is it about the CRJ-900 they want in almost the same quantity as the 717? Bad CASMs? I doubt it.
The CRJ900? Well, why would they be tripping over themselves to get more CRJ-900s? What is it about the CRJ-900 they want in almost the same quantity as the 717? Bad CASMs? I doubt it.
05-27-2012, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That money is put into one pocket, and taken out with other concessions and profit sharing loss. Our TA is COST NEUTRAL to the company.
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05-27-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Delta wants to acquire 3 aircraft right now. The 739, 717 and CRJ900. I think it's obvious why the 739, it's got to have great CASMs. The 717? SWA is giving it away, you can't really refuse that especially when you have a huge fleet of make and model.
The CRJ900? Well, why would they be tripping over themselves to get more CRJ-900s? What is it about the CRJ-900 they want in almost the same quantity as the 717? Bad CASMs? I doubt it.
The CRJ900? Well, why would they be tripping over themselves to get more CRJ-900s? What is it about the CRJ-900 they want in almost the same quantity as the 717? Bad CASMs? I doubt it.
I think they want the 900 because a. It continues the outsourcing b. it allows them to open the CPAs to accelerate parking 50 seaters and , c. it is better CASM than the 50 and is still viable in small markets.
It still doesn't change the fact that I believe we allowed way too many additional in this TA. The new 900s are a first class product (they will never have 90 seats... Delta wants first class in as many planes as possible. Doesn't mean they wont ask for 82 or so...), will be around for a long time, and continue the viability of the regionals longer than they would be if left to their own devices to die of a failing business model.
05-27-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I've got an FO who lives in the neighborhood. The other day he was running down our street. I told my wife he was a yes voter. My wife was screaming after him "PUSxY. I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR Axx."
I am glad I am married to the one I've got. No discussion necessary.
I am glad I am married to the one I've got. No discussion necessary.
05-27-2012, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I would like to apologize to all active and former military servicemen. I was responding to Carl's post accusing the junior pilots as the one's that will vote yes to this. I took offense to that and responded in an inappropriate manner. I made this post sometime last week. It was a cheap shot at senior pilots. I threw the military comment in there because almost all of our senior pilots have some military affiliation. The airline used to hire almost all military while the pilots hired in the last few years are almost all civilian. My comment about not thinking for themselves came from the fact that a TA has never been voted down. I know this does not make my comment any better. I am sorry. I did not realize that one comment would offend so many people. Thank you guys and girls for defending our country.
05-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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No offense Hockey--appreciate it.
05-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I would like to apologize to all active and former military servicemen. I was responding to Carl's post accusing the junior pilots as the one's that will vote yes to this. I took offense to that and responded in an inappropriate manner. I made this post sometime last week. It was a cheap shot at senior pilots. I threw the military comment in there because almost all of our senior pilots have some military affiliation. The airline used to hire almost all military while the pilots hired in the last few years are almost all civilian. My comment about not thinking for themselves came from the fact that a TA has never been voted down. I know this does not make my comment any better. I am sorry. I did not realize that one comment would offend so many people. Thank you guys and girls for defending our country.
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05-27-2012, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
No problemo. I should mention that I don't think there is anything wrong with the program per se. It's great to be able to offer that to anybody. I just don't buy that it's implementation is going to result in one single AE over the next year.
05-27-2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I would like to apologize to all active and former military servicemen. I was responding to Carl's post accusing the junior pilots as the one's that will vote yes to this. I took offense to that and responded in an inappropriate manner. I made this post sometime last week. It was a cheap shot at senior pilots. I threw the military comment in there because almost all of our senior pilots have some military affiliation. The airline used to hire almost all military while the pilots hired in the last few years are almost all civilian. My comment about not thinking for themselves came from the fact that a TA has never been voted down. I know this does not make my comment any better. I am sorry. I did not realize that one comment would offend so many people. Thank you guys and girls for defending our country.
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