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05-27-2012 | 07:01 PM
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I know you don't see this as a lie. You see this as you being so clever that none of us line dolts could possibly see through it. Well DoubleTrouble and many others see through it. He's was polite enough to refer to it as "nice media school reply", but it's really just a plain old lie. His question and point wasn't whether "detailed" costing had been given to the reps, but rather has "real" costing been given to the reps. When you answer that very plain question by claiming that the reps either "misheard" or "misread" when you've purposely changed the subject of his question, that's a lie. It's not cleverness, it's not spin, it's lying.
Nice try. And you say I spin...
Real costing...detailed costing...in answer to doubletroubles question, that's where the costing was. In session with the MEC.
Where's the lie? What you typed? Some integrity you have there, keyboard warrior.
First law of holes, groundskeeper, when in one, stop digging.
You still can't handle the truth.
05-27-2012 | 07:07 PM
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I know you don't see this as a lie. You see this as you being so clever that none of us line dolts could possibly see through it. Well DoubleTrouble and many others see through it. He's was polite enough to refer to it as "nice media school reply", but it's really just a plain old lie. His question and point wasn't whether "detailed" costing had been given to the reps, but rather has "real" costing been given to the reps. When you answer that very plain question by claiming that the reps either "misheard" or "misread" when you've purposely changed the subject of his question, that's a lie. It's not cleverness, it's not spin, it's lying.
And as the LEC reps have warned us, the MEC (and its unelected bureaucrats like you) are too invested in this TA to describe it objectively. You just keep proving how right they are. Now our entire group has the danger of being sold during road shows by people who are too invested in this to describe it objectively.
We've got a tough road ahead.
Carl
And as the LEC reps have warned us, the MEC (and its unelected bureaucrats like you) are too invested in this TA to describe it objectively. You just keep proving how right they are. Now our entire group has the danger of being sold during road shows by people who are too invested in this to describe it objectively.
We've got a tough road ahead.
Carl
Okay, Carl, if you can't understand basic English then here is the answer:
The reps saw the real, detailed, item by item costing exactly as the deal was figured by both sides. Down to the exact dollar.
If there is some other adjective I need to throw in there then please tell me what to add and I will add it.
05-27-2012 | 07:13 PM
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Keyboard Kommando Karl,
Nice try. And you say I spin...
Real costing...detailed costing...in answer to doubletroubles question, that's where the costing was. In session with the MEC.
Where's the lie? What you typed? Some integrity you have there, keyboard warrior.
First law of holes, groundskeeper, when in one, stop digging.
You still can't handle the truth.
Nice try. And you say I spin...
Real costing...detailed costing...in answer to doubletroubles question, that's where the costing was. In session with the MEC.
Where's the lie? What you typed? Some integrity you have there, keyboard warrior.
First law of holes, groundskeeper, when in one, stop digging.
You still can't handle the truth.
Again, this isn't me talking...it's the reps. You really look foolish trying to take out your rage against these insolent reps on me. But have at it. It's very important for the posters and lurkers here to see the MEC administration in action. The LEC reps are all too familiar with it.
Carl
05-27-2012 | 07:14 PM
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Okay, Carl, if you can't understand basic English then here is the answer:
The reps saw the real, detailed, item by item costing exactly as the deal was figured by both sides. Down to the exact dollar.
If there is some other adjective I need to throw in there then please tell me what to add and I will add it.
The reps saw the real, detailed, item by item costing exactly as the deal was figured by both sides. Down to the exact dollar.
If there is some other adjective I need to throw in there then please tell me what to add and I will add it.
Carl
05-27-2012 | 07:18 PM
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Here's some more data I ran across.
Now if you look at this... http://www.team.aero/files/aviation_..._guide_crj.pdf... the one thing you'll see there is that on page 66 they show the CASM for a CRJ-900 running at the max we would allow (at least for 85% of their flights) to have a fuel burn of about 2 cents per ASM.
So even if the Skywest 5.3 CASM number for their CRJ-900 doesn't include fuel, just add 2 cents. Maybe 3. And you're still hovering around MD-88 territory. Thus, same cost plus a whipsaw. I think it's as clear as day as to why they keep asking us to give up scope on these jets.
I mean all we have to do is hold the line on 3 things with outsourcing: number, size and range. We're giving up on the number until the next time they need it raised. Winning.
Now if you look at this... http://www.team.aero/files/aviation_..._guide_crj.pdf... the one thing you'll see there is that on page 66 they show the CASM for a CRJ-900 running at the max we would allow (at least for 85% of their flights) to have a fuel burn of about 2 cents per ASM.
So even if the Skywest 5.3 CASM number for their CRJ-900 doesn't include fuel, just add 2 cents. Maybe 3. And you're still hovering around MD-88 territory. Thus, same cost plus a whipsaw. I think it's as clear as day as to why they keep asking us to give up scope on these jets.
I mean all we have to do is hold the line on 3 things with outsourcing: number, size and range. We're giving up on the number until the next time they need it raised. Winning.
05-27-2012 | 07:20 PM
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Maybe you can point me to the reps that said they got fake costing, as you can't point to anything to support your delusions in my post.
You can't handle the truth.
05-27-2012 | 07:22 PM
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From: Light Chop
Speaking of whipsaw, I'd love to see DALPA's numbers but frankly, I'd toss them aside hoping to see the real numbers from the company. And if I got to see those numbers, I'd toss them aside. Because i think when you get to figuring out DCI costs it becomes subjective. Because how do you quantify the success of a whipsaw when some of the success was strictly up to a pilot vote?
So honestly, looking at the hard numbers I have to still say the CRJ-900 is a heck of a threat to mainline aircraft like the 88 or 319 just as much as the 737-900 is to the 767-300, some old 757s and old A320s but as we know from the press release, not MD88s.
Or wait, did someone mention they're now telling us the 739 is a growth aircraft?
So honestly, looking at the hard numbers I have to still say the CRJ-900 is a heck of a threat to mainline aircraft like the 88 or 319 just as much as the 737-900 is to the 767-300, some old 757s and old A320s but as we know from the press release, not MD88s.
Or wait, did someone mention they're now telling us the 739 is a growth aircraft?
05-27-2012 | 07:29 PM
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I was going to say whereas some throw mud, I throw love, but then I saw that old pic in the library and just wanted to run it again. So I guess that's throwing mud.
ya'll have a good night.
05-27-2012 | 07:30 PM
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We are hearing 300 positions lost instantly and forever in work rule changes and maybe 250-300 early outs...all of which would be leaving in the next few years anyway, yet the 300 lost positions in work rules will last forever. Dumbest trade off in history.
05-27-2012 | 07:32 PM
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