Originally Posted by LivingTheDream

You're right slow. Let's not even try to return the profession to were it was 8 years ago (11 years ago if this TA passes)...after all, we did go through a whole 2 months of negotiations.

Originally Posted by 1234

I find it amusing that during the merger, the NWA pilots were giddy about the fact that there was a max of six short calls per month. Granted it sucked that the guarantee was only 70 hrs, but at NWA everyday was a shortcall unless you were lucky enough to get a long call, which was assigned each day and long calls were the very first pilots to go out (well, behind those who had recovery rights and our recovery rights sucked real bad and that is a different story). I don't recall ever being able to say that you were full for the month at NWA. I do vividly remember working two months in a row every single day that I was on reserve (18 days each month) and that did not make momma bear all to happy. So we wanted to let the reserves make more money and we have, but now we are upset because they might work more? Reserves get a pretty nice pay increase with this TA. Possibly 80 hr guarantee a month with the potential to not fly?

Originally Posted by newKnow

Another unnecessary NWA reference? Do they ever stop?

Originally Posted by slowplay

Your tucking your tail and running away noted. Typical of the cowardly keyboard kommando.

You've made plain your lack of integrity on this exchange. Have a nice life, and hopefully enjoy the early retirement, sans any Tanksley monies.

You can't handle the truth.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

How would any of us know? You have yet to tell it.

The LEC reps didn't misread or mishear. You're lying. The TA is cost neutral to the company. We all have waited a decade for DALPA to show us what they can do with a Section 6. DALPA fell into incredible luck to enter Section 6 with a massively profitable company. What did DALPA bring us? A cost neutral TA.

Carl - dealing out the truth

Originally Posted by flyallnite

That's another big myth about this TA that is being sold to us. Mark my words, this thing passes and you'll see a big displacement bid at the end of the summer. Here's why:

The company loooves to staff with displacements... we've seen that already. The 717's will be filled with displaced captains off the DC-9 and MD-88's due to aircraft retirements and the increased productivity that the TA provides. The 757's and some 767's will start to be replaced with the new, lower paying 737-900ER, also filled with displaced 767 crews... why do you think they haven't bothered to convert the rest of the 767 domestic category to ER? Because it's a waste of time and money!

The early retirement scheme sounds great right? All that movement off the top will really pull us up the list... not so fast!

If you read the language, the program terminates as soon as ANY ONE CATEGORY reaches critical staffing levels. Guess what? That language is there for a reason. Right now, the 747 is overstaffed. They will allow maybe 100 high paid guys off of that thing and then the whole program stops for good. No replacements needed. Not for another few years actually as Alaska grows and the new fleet of 76 seat replacement jets come online. So don't start practicing those Captain PA's just yet...

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

1234 is a North guy, for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Then how will the block hour ratios be maintained? Will the company just ignore them? WE have to increase to 1.56 of DCI if they get all 223 76s, so those hours have to come from somewhere. True.. there might be displacements, but the ratios are our ace in the hole that PROTECT JOBS. My math says that if DCI increases by 10% with each group of 76s that they get, when all 223 are on board, they will have increased their block hours about 77%. Ours will have to increase by 156%. Or you can ignore the math and remain ****ed about a few airplanes...


We cannot do anything about the stupid payscales, because Carl has to be the king of the swamp... and we all know just how much harder he works and how much the airplane that he (apparently) bought is making for the company... yada yada yada...

Originally Posted by newKnow

Another unnecessary NWA reference? Do they ever stop?

Originally Posted by newKnow

I picked up on that from his post. I don't discriminate in telling anyone that the North vs. South thing should be dead when it comes to this TA.

I'm tired of looking up what our pay rates were back then, or how many days we had off, or what was going to happen to the DC-9's. At NWA, we didn't really have long call or short call days. So what? Two weeks ago, I did. Does that mean I should just be that much more grateful?

We are all starting from the same point. If we really want to rehash who had what, we should do it after the TA is figured out, because IMO it's an unnecessary distraction.