Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-27-2012, 10:11 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You have the audacity to mention not having a DC plan when you are probably gonna walk away with tens of thousands per month in a DB plan? Seriously? You are more arrogant than I even imagined possible. What I can't buy is some of these guys on here falling for your crap.
05-27-2012, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I had a lot of spackler BS to wade thru. And apology or no, hockey is still an ass for that comment.
You can leave it open if you want, but I think most have forgiven him.
05-27-2012, 10:16 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK.. so they shrink... and that's not good... why? We don't want them doing our flying.. absolutely, but somehow I get the feeling that when ya'll insist on discounting these rations that you would rather that whatever RJ flying they DO have is done at whatever level the company chooses. I don't get this line of reasoning at all.
We fell way short of the mark on this TA.
05-27-2012, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 1234
It really wasn't anything more than an observation. Sorry if I hit a nerve, I wasn't trying.
Hey, I was one of those giddy reserve guys thinking that it was going to be a good deal. Then I realized that some months we had the same thing at NWA. Months when we flew a lot, I was only on short call maybe 2 times in a month because I always got assigned a trip prior to ever even getting on short call, or if I was on short call, I would get called out for a 5 day thus using up a bunch of my reserve days. It is funny how while something may be perceived as a good deal can turn out to be nothing different than what you have (the whole grass is greener on the other side).
I think that we are all getting a little punchy with the constant talking about this TA and constant arguing with each other. I guess that I really need to just step back, take and take a break from this place as it seems like 90% of the discussions aren't worth it.
Plus, there hasn't been any underboob for a long time.
Good night.
Hey, I was one of those giddy reserve guys thinking that it was going to be a good deal. Then I realized that some months we had the same thing at NWA. Months when we flew a lot, I was only on short call maybe 2 times in a month because I always got assigned a trip prior to ever even getting on short call, or if I was on short call, I would get called out for a 5 day thus using up a bunch of my reserve days. It is funny how while something may be perceived as a good deal can turn out to be nothing different than what you have (the whole grass is greener on the other side).
I think that we are all getting a little punchy with the constant talking about this TA and constant arguing with each other. I guess that I really need to just step back, take and take a break from this place as it seems like 90% of the discussions aren't worth it.
Plus, there hasn't been any underboob for a long time.
Good night.
1234,
I found myself in the same position for a few months myself. Hopefully, we get all that stuff worked out.
If not, there is always underboob to make us feel better.
05-27-2012, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
And you're ok with 1% DC increase?
SWAPA has gotten to where they are by slow and steady, and many think they are gods now. Yet we want to go for the whole castle with one attack. Defies logic IMHO, but whatever. No matter how you spin it, these are industry leading pay rates, and that ain't too shabby. We'll be on the next contract before UAL or USAir have their first one...
05-27-2012, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It's not that it's not good a good thing to put some shrinkage toward DCI... but we will continue to see stagnation due to work rule givebacks on this contract and replacement but not growth aircraft. On top of that giving away 70 more mainline replacement aircraft to DCI...
We fell way short of the mark on this TA.
We fell way short of the mark on this TA.
05-27-2012, 10:52 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What work rule givebacks? We will get 4:30/day... The trip I am on right now... (for all intents a 3 day) is worth 12:00 now... under this TA it will be 13:30. That's not an improvement? The reserve system is a huge improvement.. As a reserve guy, I really like what I have read.. so far about it, but I am not yet an expert on that part. Tell me what I have missed so far wrt work rules.
The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.
More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve or move up categories- so in actuality it can reduce our long term pay by not being able to hold a line (much more money capability) or holding higher gauge categories.
The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.
05-27-2012, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.
More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve.
The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.
More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve.
The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.
05-28-2012, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I have come to learn, it is not only about pay rates, its also about workrules.
examples:
UPS 6.5 hr min day for a turn. With Retirement
Fedex trip touching vacation drops. With retirement
SWA premium open time - get me this and I'll shut the hell up!!!
I admit, there are some small gains in this TA, but overall, its not even a base hit.
examples:
UPS 6.5 hr min day for a turn. With Retirement
Fedex trip touching vacation drops. With retirement
SWA premium open time - get me this and I'll shut the hell up!!!
I admit, there are some small gains in this TA, but overall, its not even a base hit.
05-28-2012, 02:26 AM
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