acl65pilot

I disagree. The rumors around DCI is that they have been pushing for flows and DAL does not want em. DCI carriers provided preferential interviews and jobs to our pilots after 9-11 and this is just the same thing in reverse with a min quota. National is not forcing this clause on us. Read the language. The flows will cover almost all of this going forward. Even last time the military percentages were well below half of the new hires. Given the way they are going this will not change. What this clause does is makes sure that we DALPA hire the pilots that helped our pilots a decade ago.

Just my opinion, but I do not see anything wrong with it. In fact I am surprised the company agreed to it, and in my line of thinking it was a compromise other than a flow agreements with us. After all we all said preferential interviews/hiring over flows, and darn it if that is not what you see.

acl65pilot

I am trying to model that language right now, and when I read it, it stuck out to me as something I need to deeply look at. It may be fine, but I agree that the complexity and layering of the ratios, snapshot, and the triggers as the ratios change prior to the snap shot needs to be modeled and looked at.

acl65pilot

Maybe, but maybe not. That is the question. We have a comprehensive TA that either side can pull down, but why would you? Its done, and a complete product. I also suspect that this contract needs to be done to access capital to do what they want to do going forward. The bandwidth appears to be really tight, but question if there was some more time. I though we would see a deal in mid to late June with MEMRAT done nlt than late Aug. I still think that the go point is late Aug, getting this done early just allows more time to get ready. Just my .02

slowplay

If that happens you won't have to worry about your "soon" flow rights to the TA that you're arguing against. You can do your own math, but if management executes its business plan there will be 150+ fewer DCI aircraft. At 10 pilots per aircraft that's over 1500 jobs. If mainline doesn't grow and the block hour ratio kicks in, that number would only increase as more DCI aircraft are parked/underutilized.

The TA ratio is 1.56 mainline block hours to 1 DCI block hour if all 70 jets get delivered (and they only get that if all 88 B717's come). The ratio is currently 1.19-1. Make all the a/c deliveries on mainline purely replacement, and DCI will get much smaller than an equivalent 450 a/c.

There aren't a whole lot of DC-9's left (20?), but I expect there will be quite a few older 757 and A320 parked. Through 2015 we're scheduled to take 88 B717, 25 MD-90 added in service and 60 new 737-900. That's 173 aircraft in 3 1/2 years. When you factor in the DCI jets being parked and the block hour ratio, a lot more Delta flying will be done by Delta pilots.

For a guy worried about flow, that's a good thing.

grasshopper

I tend to think this will be where the contract pays for a good bit of the "improvements." up gauge mentioned but not growing. Subtract a bunch of higher paying larger aircraft for more frequency across the board. That will not wind up looking like a win when it's over I do not think. Each one of these improvements is not in a vacuum. The increased productivity will really reduce the need to hire IMHO. It's in the guise of "well help us flatten out the hiring bubble." I'm listening but still NO at this point I think.

Bucking Bar

True ... and because of the wording of the survey it was all the opening needed to "constructively engage" a scope carve out to be relevant at the bargaining table.

Kind of like a day with a deferred APU and the cabin at 100 degrees. If you ask passengers what they want they will say "cool down the cabin." If you asked, "would you like us to remove half the wing bolts to fix the APU ?" then the answer would be "NO!"

Substantively, C12 TA is driven by scope concerns. It removes any pretense of DCI being anything other than an alter ego for Delta Air Lines. But, it is balanced better than anything yet written. Frankly, I am very glad our MEC kept the line at 76 seats. That was not easy work.

There are some real gains here. We may not have a big headline number, but our steady progress has put us at the top of our legacy peer group by a sizable margin. I also think there is a good possibility that traditional Section 6 would not get us nearly as good a deal. There are a lot of variables in Section 6 and thus far UCAL, US Air, and American are not holding up their end of the house.

scambo1

Bar;

Buddy;

Are you crazy?

You and I MUST be reading a different document.

By the way, the line was already at 76 seats.

Now, Republic can upguage LEGALLY beyond 76 seats. Then they codeshare through Alaska and they are flying DAL pax on airbusses and other 130 seat jets.

flyallnite

Good question! Here's the ugly answer: They cut the language that allowed you to see a nurse practitioner, or provide 'other proof' of illness. Under the TA, you can ONLY see a Doctor and you MUST provide a DOCTORS
CERTIFICATE of illness for the NEW Sick Leave Monitoring Program that the union wrongly claims to have eliminated.

Bucking Bar

If I order a Doctor of Divinity Certificate, can I self certify?

The Right Reverend Doctor, Dude.

Doctor of Divinity, Theology or Ministry religious degrees Online, Credit for Life Experience

What about Chiropractic? They can't prescribe an aspirin for a Chihuahua, but they call themselves "Doctor."

forgot to bid

Scope on TA 2012:



Did the company in their opener ask for 76+ seat jets?

And did we ask for fewer 51-76 seat jets in the opener?

Saying at least we held the line on 77+ seat jets is like saying a 28-3 loss in a football game was a moral victory because at least none of those 35 points came from passing touchdowns.