Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
To un-Foxtrot this nightmare, we have to come to grips with the fact that our bargaining agent does NOT bargain for us. For far too many folks, that's a reality that is just too painful to accept. They invested too much trust and history to turn away now.
That doesn't mean we can't still fight. We should vote this horrific TA down by a huge margin. Then recall every rep who voted YES. Not because they didn't vote the way Carl wanted, but because they IGNORED the survey that they touted for so long. And as such, they ignored us. Then the new reps should immediately recall the MEC chairman and the entire MEC bureaucracy except the negotiating committee. Then we should give instructions to the negotiating committee to tell management we accept the TA with the following exceptions:
1. Keep the 255 hard cap on large RJ's
2. Keep the current profit sharing percentage.
3. If you don't agree, we'll let you know when the next opportunity is for us to send a negotiator to talk to you. Thank you, and enjoy flying those 50 seat RJ's.
That's my hope. It's still possible...but only if we vote this down.
Carl
I've been trying for the last four years brudda! I all but pleaded to this group to see through ALPA and their inability to do anything but sell more of our flying to the regionals due to their conflicted representation structure. We came close with our in-house union, but we didn't quite get there before openers were exchanged. As I've said before, once that happened, this is now ALPA's deal. Any attempt by another union to influence things would fail in the eyes of the NMB, and would provide ALPA with the perfect excuse of why they failed.
To un-Foxtrot this nightmare, we have to come to grips with the fact that our bargaining agent does NOT bargain for us. For far too many folks, that's a reality that is just too painful to accept. They invested too much trust and history to turn away now.
That doesn't mean we can't still fight. We should vote this horrific TA down by a huge margin. Then recall every rep who voted YES. Not because they didn't vote the way Carl wanted, but because they IGNORED the survey that they touted for so long. And as such, they ignored us. Then the new reps should immediately recall the MEC chairman and the entire MEC bureaucracy except the negotiating committee. Then we should give instructions to the negotiating committee to tell management we accept the TA with the following exceptions:
1. Keep the 255 hard cap on large RJ's
2. Keep the current profit sharing percentage.
3. If you don't agree, we'll let you know when the next opportunity is for us to send a negotiator to talk to you. Thank you, and enjoy flying those 50 seat RJ's.
That's my hope. It's still possible...but only if we vote this down.
Carl
To un-Foxtrot this nightmare, we have to come to grips with the fact that our bargaining agent does NOT bargain for us. For far too many folks, that's a reality that is just too painful to accept. They invested too much trust and history to turn away now.
That doesn't mean we can't still fight. We should vote this horrific TA down by a huge margin. Then recall every rep who voted YES. Not because they didn't vote the way Carl wanted, but because they IGNORED the survey that they touted for so long. And as such, they ignored us. Then the new reps should immediately recall the MEC chairman and the entire MEC bureaucracy except the negotiating committee. Then we should give instructions to the negotiating committee to tell management we accept the TA with the following exceptions:
1. Keep the 255 hard cap on large RJ's
2. Keep the current profit sharing percentage.
3. If you don't agree, we'll let you know when the next opportunity is for us to send a negotiator to talk to you. Thank you, and enjoy flying those 50 seat RJ's.
That's my hope. It's still possible...but only if we vote this down.
Carl
Carl, you need to rebut that sales letter that was cleverly written by King Midas on the other thread..
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I think this is part of what is frustrating, This doesn't take a whole lot of imagination:
* Delta management want's more cheap flying 70 seaters.
* We want to fly 70 seaters.
* Somehow there is also a provision in the TA that provides for 35% of new hires to come from DCI carriers.
Why not let the company have the 70 seaters operated under whatever DCI carriers workrules and pay they want for 3 years, then have those pilots and planes come under the Delta banner/certificate for bidding by all Delta pilots afterwards?
Then you would probably have a slam dunk passage for the TA -- even with all the other sore spots.
* Delta management want's more cheap flying 70 seaters.
* We want to fly 70 seaters.
* Somehow there is also a provision in the TA that provides for 35% of new hires to come from DCI carriers.
Why not let the company have the 70 seaters operated under whatever DCI carriers workrules and pay they want for 3 years, then have those pilots and planes come under the Delta banner/certificate for bidding by all Delta pilots afterwards?
Then you would probably have a slam dunk passage for the TA -- even with all the other sore spots.
It is time to bring our brand home, it's OUR brand.
Jevon, WHO are they?
Latest NNP is out and justifying our rates as industry leading! I want to know who they figured some of those numbers.
Remember, we're kicking butt and leading in cumulative compensation increases since 2008, especially if you include DC.
But I'm still stuck on section 1.
1 yr 6 months is a pretty big loophole.
When the block hours go out of whack in favor of DCI, you have to just suck it up for 18 months? Then the company has 60 days to get back in compliance, and then how long to the next snapshot? Another 18 months? This sounds like the kind of junk Comair ALPA signs off on.
When the block hours go out of whack in favor of DCI, you have to just suck it up for 18 months? Then the company has 60 days to get back in compliance, and then how long to the next snapshot? Another 18 months? This sounds like the kind of junk Comair ALPA signs off on.
Wow, I'm amazed we're going to get parity with 2012 SWA pay by 2015.
I think the most amazing part is SWA pay will stay flat from 2012 to 2015 and allow us to catch up. No raises?
I think the most amazing part is SWA pay will stay flat from 2012 to 2015 and allow us to catch up. No raises?
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