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Old 09-23-2012 | 06:52 PM
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probably..it was a weekly update from a few months ago. i'll give it a look
Old 09-23-2012 | 06:58 PM
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Also, while we are talking about past memos; I remember one a few months ago that said we would need 7000 pilots in the next decade and we were trying to figure out how we would train them all. Now in this memo that number has been reduced to 3500. What gives?
Through 2023 we have over 5200 Age 65 retirements scheduled. Not sure where SD's #'s are coming from.
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
Also, while we are talking about past memos; I remember one a few months ago that said we would need 7000 pilots in the next decade and we were trying to figure out how we would train them all. Now in this memo that number has been reduced to 3500. What gives?

Easy, we're only going to hire pilots that wear size 2XL uniforms.
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Through 2023 we have over 5200 Age 65 retirements scheduled. Not sure where SD's #'s are coming from.
It's because we had such great response to the RMA.
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Nothing a few dollars can't fix.
This group got played, once again.
[In your best hypnotist voice] Close your eyes, and repeat after me...Time Value of Money....Time Value of Money...Time value..
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Desperado
Easy, we're only going to hire pilots that wear size 2XL uniforms.
Maybe we are going to order some of those UAV's?
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:27 PM
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Found it! July 6, 2012 weekly update.
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:30 PM
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In our efforts to continually improve, combined with the prospect of 7,000 new hires over the course of the next ten years and the number of pilots who are changing seats and aircraft, it was the right time to review our general policies and fleet specific procedures.
So the over/under is 3500 to 7000... That's almost as much wiggle room as he gave himself on hiring this fall.
Old 09-23-2012 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
Well, see, there's the thing nobody wants to talk about. Of course there hasn't, but it's just too easy to point to the economy and completely ignore the staffing givebacks we gave away with a yes vote.

Since the vote, the economy hasn't changed, and network's grand plans haven't changed. The only thing that has changed is how much we are willing to let our system accumulators (reserves) flex up in the summer months. Since we, as a group, saw fit to provide relief in the only area the company ever feels pinched for staffing, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the delay in hiring.

Then again, it's much easier to blame the economy for delayed hiring than it is to admit to trading hiring and movement for a small pay bump and two years of COLA.....
Someone who gets it. Btw, just out of curiosity, tell me if this is right... with the number of retirements (3299) discussed in JG's email (over the next 10 years) that would put upgrade for a 2001 hire in an average seniority base at around......wait for it..........25 years plus?!! Those sitting in the left seat will keep assuring you what a good deal you got though.

Hey, I have a terrific idea for the next contract. Lets sell more work rules and increase productivity more for a few more sweaty dollars. I have a feeling the promise of shiny widebody jets that are in the plan already anyway will do the trick.
Old 09-23-2012 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Why? Because the company is smart enough to have audibles ready to call?
Do I really have to explain WHY overflying the NRT hub is bad for the NRT operation?

Overflying the hub means the hub is no longer viable. Less O&D traffic, less flights, less jobs for DL pilots. We essentially lose the 5th freedom rights we paid for, and get nothing in return except relegated to a bit player in the Pacific.

I'll give you an example. Over the past few years, we've flown the 777, 747, and A330 from NRT to MNL. Even considered an extra section 757 before the tsunami. If we could make money flying from the mainland to the Phillipines, we'd be doing it now. We can't. What we CAN do is make money flying Tokyo to the Phillippines. If we get shut out of HND and they give the slots to the Japanese carriers or to UAL, then it's goodbye to that revenue and those jobs. Anybody on a DL ticket can connect on KAL if they need to get there, but otherwise, we won't fly it. THAT is why the statement about overflying NRT gives me the chills.

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