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Old 05-23-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dragon View Post
Apparently, this was part of the survey. Guys wanted to raise the reserve guarantee and have the ability to work more.

Again, I think we've been conditioned to work harder not smarter.

Contracts are to protect us from ourselves I think more than from the Company.
I think you're right on all counts.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus View Post
You know, that thought actually occurred to me on day one. I thought "you know, if scope really was better like ALPA is saying, that kinda makes the mediocre pay raises defensible." But if ALPA really considered themselves giving up negotiating capital for this section 1, they got taken to the cleaners. The changes to section 1 simply allow management to do what they sorely wanted and needed to do to make outsourcing continue to work: replace old inefficient airframes with efficient new ones. It makes DCI cheaper, and once again makes mainline pilots the choice of last resort.
This is absolutely spot on.

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Old 05-23-2012, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
When DL fired ACA when they tried their little Independance Air stunt, all DL was on the hook for were the leases on the D328 jets. It was easy to replace too.
Mesa grabbed up those DoJets to get on the DCI Minor-League Team Roster.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8 View Post
This is true. If you don't consider it a bad practice to try to break contracts...
Do you think they might sue, tough?
Mesa, Freedom, Pinnacle, SkyWay, Mesaba, Comair, Big Sky, etc...

Lots of bad blood left in the wake of 10 years of DCI musical chairs.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead View Post
I'll preface this by saying I'm just a line dude. Not an ALPA guy. Don't go to meetings. Not a Company guy. Don't go to Delta family fun days.

I go to work, fly my trips as safely and efficiently as possible, and come home. I cherish my time at home, but still enjoy my job.

I think I'm about as average as it gets.

I've had a couple of days to digest this TA, and without question, am a solid "no" voter based on everything I've read so far. I'll be the first to admit, I've voted "yes" in the past. I've believed ALPA had my best interest at heart...those guys are in the loop and have knowledge well beyond anything I could comprehend.

This time, it isn't happening. In order: #1 - what's the rush to get this done? I still haven't been told to my satisfaction why it was so crucial (for us) to get this thing signed off so soon. #2 - Scope. I said not one more seat should be given away. I'm sticking to that, and without question, seats are being given away here. Spin it any way you like - we're getting the crap side of the stick. #3 - pay isn't even close. Enough said. We're in the position to make huge money, and I can't believe what's being proposed is anything remotely close to the survey results.

When you buy a car, house, see an auction, watch Pawn Stars, bid on Ebay, etc, do you settle for the first offer? No, you counter with a better offer in your favor. Why would I ever consider voting for this, when my career for the next 3 to 4 years is at stake?

Great post Jug.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8 View Post
It's undoubtedly Scope up, but that's the problem.



And guys always said the Reserve sytem was broken and needed fixing. But between the recent improvements and the new guarantee, Reserve isn't a second-class job anymore, and Reserve might actually become a senior winter activity, and a rewarding summer job. And guys re shiIIing themselves, of course, because we actually spent negotiating capital on, what, Reserve? Yes, we spent negotiating capital on Reserve. I sheet you not!
Cmon man, there just gets to be a point where your credibility is totally shot. You have officially crossed that line with this post. Go sell your bologna somewhere else.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:20 PM
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One thing we know for sure, 255 is not a hard cap.

So why should I believe 325 will be a hard cap?
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dragon View Post
Apparently, this was part of the survey. Guys wanted to raise the reserve guarantee and have the ability to work more.

Again, I think we've been conditioned to work harder not smarter.

Contracts are to protect us from ourselves I think more than from the Company.
Says you. Where is the dam survey already?

Btw I conducted a survey with the Delta pilots as well. They said it was in the best interest of all parties for you to give me all your money, your house and your car. There's no way you can dispute this truth, it was in my survey. And no you can't see it. It's for my eyes only. Just take me at my word, I would never mislead you or rip you off
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
One thing we know for sure, 255 is not a hard cap.

So why should I believe 325 will be a hard cap?
A friggin MEN! Post of the day!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer View Post
Says you. Where is the dam survey already?

Btw I conducted a survey with the Delta pilots as well. They said it was in the best interest of all parties for you to give me all your money, your house and your car. There's no way you can dispute this truth, it was in my survey. And no you can't see it. It's for my eyes only. Just take me at my word, I would never mislead you or rip you off
Just telling you what my rep said. Don't have anything in writing, perhaps your rep could provide it and you could post it?
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