Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2012 | 04:34 PM
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Let me throw this out to you. I have no inside information or influence but this is just food for thought. Let's say this TA is resubmitted with the following changes, would it be acceptable?
1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
BD
1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
BD
I think it's time to release the survey results. Seeing as the results were withheld under the rationale that exposing said results could compromise the negotiator's position, now that the negotiation process is complete DALPA has no reason to withhold that information.
To all the guys supporting this TA/defending DALPA I have one question....
If this is the BEST the negotiators could come up with, that what is the WORSE they could have come back to us with?
05-23-2012 | 04:38 PM
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Let me throw this out to you. I have no inside information or influence but this is just food for thought. Let's say this TA is resubmitted with the following changes, would it be acceptable?
1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
BD
1) Pay rates +12.8% over current rates at DOS, +4% January 1, 2013, +4% January 1, 2014
2) Profit sharing unchanged (current levels, not TA)
3) +2% to DC plan
4) Section 1 unchanged or REAL improvements, no more 70+ seat RJs
5) This is a biggie to me. AMENDMENT DATE 12/31/2014
This would give productivity improvements the company wants and a contract we don't have to swallow for so many years. Since this TA was negotiated in short order, it may behoove both parties to have shorter contracts with quick paced negotiations in this highly dynamic business environment.
BD
05-23-2012 | 04:38 PM
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I was told by an ALPA representative last year that Richard Anderson is expecting to raise our pay 30 percent through the life of our next contract. This TA does not do that. What happened?
05-23-2012 | 04:47 PM
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I'll preface this by saying I'm just a line dude. Not an ALPA guy. Don't go to meetings. Not a Company guy. Don't go to Delta family fun days.
I go to work, fly my trips as safely and efficiently as possible, and come home. I cherish my time at home, but still enjoy my job.
I think I'm about as average as it gets.
I've had a couple of days to digest this TA, and without question, am a solid "no" voter based on everything I've read so far. I'll be the first to admit, I've voted "yes" in the past. I've believed ALPA had my best interest at heart...those guys are in the loop and have knowledge well beyond anything I could comprehend.
This time, it isn't happening. In order: #1 - what's the rush to get this done? I still haven't been told to my satisfaction why it was so crucial (for us) to get this thing signed off so soon. #2 - Scope. I said not one more seat should be given away. I'm sticking to that, and without question, seats are being given away here. Spin it any way you like - we're getting the crap side of the stick. #3 - pay isn't even close. Enough said. We're in the position to make huge money, and I can't believe what's being proposed is anything remotely close to the survey results.
When you buy a car, house, see an auction, watch Pawn Stars, bid on Ebay, etc, do you settle for the first offer? No, you counter with a better offer in your favor. Why would I ever consider voting for this, when my career for the next 3 to 4 years is at stake?
I go to work, fly my trips as safely and efficiently as possible, and come home. I cherish my time at home, but still enjoy my job.
I think I'm about as average as it gets.
I've had a couple of days to digest this TA, and without question, am a solid "no" voter based on everything I've read so far. I'll be the first to admit, I've voted "yes" in the past. I've believed ALPA had my best interest at heart...those guys are in the loop and have knowledge well beyond anything I could comprehend.
This time, it isn't happening. In order: #1 - what's the rush to get this done? I still haven't been told to my satisfaction why it was so crucial (for us) to get this thing signed off so soon. #2 - Scope. I said not one more seat should be given away. I'm sticking to that, and without question, seats are being given away here. Spin it any way you like - we're getting the crap side of the stick. #3 - pay isn't even close. Enough said. We're in the position to make huge money, and I can't believe what's being proposed is anything remotely close to the survey results.
When you buy a car, house, see an auction, watch Pawn Stars, bid on Ebay, etc, do you settle for the first offer? No, you counter with a better offer in your favor. Why would I ever consider voting for this, when my career for the next 3 to 4 years is at stake?
05-23-2012 | 04:48 PM
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05-23-2012 | 04:52 PM
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DOCTORS NOTE FOR SICK LEAVE REQUIRED.
Go read it, it's in the TA. And it has to be a Doctor, not a nurse practitioner.
If you get sick under this TA, expect massive retaliation from the company, and a lot of administrative duties for you...
Go read it, it's in the TA. And it has to be a Doctor, not a nurse practitioner.
If you get sick under this TA, expect massive retaliation from the company, and a lot of administrative duties for you...
05-23-2012 | 04:56 PM
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There's one problem with your numbers - most of us want an improved standard of living and if you take inflation into the equation then our standard of living has barely kept pace with inflation. Also, our 2008 starting point for those salaries is the worst in Delta history - even worse than 1996 (which was referred to after the fact as POS 96 and led the way to the C2K contract because everyone was so militant). Your point being that our 2008 starting point for our salaries was acceptable. I don't.
I'm not advocating, just calculating.
05-23-2012 | 05:00 PM
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I'll preface this by saying I'm just a line dude. Not an ALPA guy. Don't go to meetings. Not a Company guy. Don't go to Delta family fun days.
I go to work, fly my trips as safely and efficiently as possible, and come home. I cherish my time at home, but still enjoy my job.
I think I'm about as average as it gets.
I've had a couple of days to digest this TA, and without question, am a solid "no" voter based on everything I've read so far. I'll be the first to admit, I've voted "yes" in the past. I've believed ALPA had my best interest at heart...those guys are in the loop and have knowledge well beyond anything I could comprehend.
This time, it isn't happening. In order: #1 - what's the rush to get this done? I still haven't been told to my satisfaction why it was so crucial (for us) to get this thing signed off so soon. #2 - Scope. I said not one more seat should be given away. I'm sticking to that, and without question, seats are being given away here. Spin it any way you like - we're getting the crap side of the stick. #3 - pay isn't even close. Enough said. We're in the position to make huge money, and I can't believe what's being proposed is anything remotely close to the survey results.
When you buy a car, house, see an auction, watch Pawn Stars, bid on Ebay, etc, do you settle for the first offer? No, you counter with a better offer in your favor. Why would I ever consider voting for this, when my career for the next 3 to 4 years is at stake?
I go to work, fly my trips as safely and efficiently as possible, and come home. I cherish my time at home, but still enjoy my job.
I think I'm about as average as it gets.
I've had a couple of days to digest this TA, and without question, am a solid "no" voter based on everything I've read so far. I'll be the first to admit, I've voted "yes" in the past. I've believed ALPA had my best interest at heart...those guys are in the loop and have knowledge well beyond anything I could comprehend.
This time, it isn't happening. In order: #1 - what's the rush to get this done? I still haven't been told to my satisfaction why it was so crucial (for us) to get this thing signed off so soon. #2 - Scope. I said not one more seat should be given away. I'm sticking to that, and without question, seats are being given away here. Spin it any way you like - we're getting the crap side of the stick. #3 - pay isn't even close. Enough said. We're in the position to make huge money, and I can't believe what's being proposed is anything remotely close to the survey results.
When you buy a car, house, see an auction, watch Pawn Stars, bid on Ebay, etc, do you settle for the first offer? No, you counter with a better offer in your favor. Why would I ever consider voting for this, when my career for the next 3 to 4 years is at stake?
Carl
05-23-2012 | 05:01 PM
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Did you know?
The definition of FLEET includes aircraft in maintenance and operational spares.
How hard would it be for the company to park 50 jets at the TOC while the scope snapshot is taken?
The definition of FLEET includes aircraft in maintenance and operational spares.
How hard would it be for the company to park 50 jets at the TOC while the scope snapshot is taken?
05-23-2012 | 05:03 PM
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US inflation is about 11% from 2007 until today. If it averages 3% for the next three years (it's about 2.3% right now) total inflation from 2007 until 2015 would be about 21%. The Delta pay rates including the TA from 2007 until 2015 would be about 53%.
I'm not advocating, just calculating.
I'm not advocating, just calculating.
Carl
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