Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-28-2012, 02:38 AM
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that one always breaks my heart, Semper FI and RIP to all who gave all.
05-28-2012, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
That is how SWA pilots make 230K (CA) for 12 days of work and 130K (FO) for 12 days of work. In order to get to ALV (72 hours winter, 84 hours summer) we need to work 15-16 days/month and no opportunity for premium pay and if you do the numbers @ 4:30 daily average minimum then for an 84 hour month you might have to work 18.7 DAYS - YGBSM. I should be able to get ALV in 12-13 days (would even settle for 13-14 days) and neither one is going to happen without improved rigs (not just daily average but the other trip rigs need to be improved and those didn't get touched).
The part about the average SW pilot working 12 days a month over the last few years was looking back and averaging how much each pilot worked after personal leaves, military leave, sick leave, reserve, vacation ect..... The average Delta pilot works even less with the same metric.
05-28-2012, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Of course ridding the company of 218 50 seaters would be like 6 compass sized airlines... what's your point? Oh that's right... they are going away anyway... Yup... in 2024.. I can wait. So can the junior guys.
What's your point? Scope is for sale.
Please try to get something for scope when you sell it. This TA gets nothing. And if you are the White Knight for the junior guy, try not to outsource his job.
05-28-2012, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA pilots do not make 230k for 12 days of work. You can easily check that by looking at the other numbers in the letter they put out to the Airtran pilots. Remember the letter was intended to put the best spin on everything. A normal line at SWA has 90 to 95 trips for pay depending on the time of year ect... Usually they are around 90. Those lines are just under 13 days working on average. They then have to pick up flying to get to the 105 trips for pay to reach the 230 figure. That puts them at 14 to 16 days depending on the quality of trips.
The part about the average SW pilot working 12 days a month over the last few years was looking back and averaging how much each pilot worked after personal leaves, military leave, sick leave, reserve, vacation ect..... The average Delta pilot works even less with the same metric.
The part about the average SW pilot working 12 days a month over the last few years was looking back and averaging how much each pilot worked after personal leaves, military leave, sick leave, reserve, vacation ect..... The average Delta pilot works even less with the same metric.
Worked 144 days total, all DH and Training included, average 137 trips or 120 hrs for pay a month, actual flight hours 824
W2 Box 1 $289,097.62
Box 5 $313,502.76 (Medicare wages)
Over 50 so I put extra in 401k
This year on track to bust $320,000 in Box 5
Hope this helps, we are pulling for you guys, hope you get what you want.
Cheers
19 Year line Captain - non-ck airman
I worked 204 days last year. (Avg 17 days a month)
I made $389k and change. It was an unusual year with lots of premium open time.
This year I'm working less (13-14 days a month) and will make $300k
2007 hire FO. 136k last year plus another 5k in per diem.
68k so far this year as of May 20 plus 2k in per diem.
05-28-2012, 04:26 AM
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05-28-2012, 04:34 AM
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05-28-2012, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
And you're ok with 1% DC increase?
05-28-2012, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
wonder what happened to an increase in 2013?
05-28-2012, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I liked it at first, and if this thing passes will welcome a bit more change on my paycheck.... but:
The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.
More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve or move up categories- so in actuality it can reduce our long term pay by not being able to hold a line (much more money capability) or holding higher gauge categories.
The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.
The ALV+15 involuntary rule has been admitted to require around 300 fewer pilots in the system for staffing.
More stagnation and thus the longer for you and I to finally get off reserve or move up categories- so in actuality it can reduce our long term pay by not being able to hold a line (much more money capability) or holding higher gauge categories.
The 4+30 is better, but it is at least a half hour below what it should be. Like the RJ stuff and pay on the TA, the reserve area is very underwhelming.
05-28-2012, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It's not that it's not good a good thing to put some shrinkage toward DCI... but we will continue to see stagnation due to work rule givebacks on this contract and replacement but not growth aircraft. On top of that giving away 70 more mainline replacement aircraft to DCI...
We fell way short of the mark on this TA.
We fell way short of the mark on this TA.
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