Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-20-2012, 05:33 AM
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The Lockerbie bomber met his maker yesterday... Here's hoping for a WARM reception where he's going...
05-20-2012, 05:40 AM
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Reposted from the TA thread
The time value of money arguement is very apparent. It was mentioned at least 3 times at the c44 meeting and RA has been saying it any chance he gets at the check airman meetings. He has brought up airways, AA, even UCAL. The sad thing is people are buying it hook line and sinker. I spoke to a check airmen in the crew room this weekend and asked him if he heard the rumors 4 8 3 3, and what he thought.
His answer was its not great but I can take it. Its close to my survey numbers and its nice to have something in the pocket now and not have to wait for a while. Plus what really got me was his comment that we can make gains now and set the stage for our next contract. NO our next contract is NOW.
This is what scares me the most. We all read the message board and they seem pretty unified but how many pilots out there do not and are content with a POS like 4 8 3 3. I hope its not many but I am getting very worried something like that will pass.
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The time value of money arguement is very apparent. It was mentioned at least 3 times at the c44 meeting and RA has been saying it any chance he gets at the check airman meetings. He has brought up airways, AA, even UCAL. The sad thing is people are buying it hook line and sinker. I spoke to a check airmen in the crew room this weekend and asked him if he heard the rumors 4 8 3 3, and what he thought.
His answer was its not great but I can take it. Its close to my survey numbers and its nice to have something in the pocket now and not have to wait for a while. Plus what really got me was his comment that we can make gains now and set the stage for our next contract. NO our next contract is NOW.
This is what scares me the most. We all read the message board and they seem pretty unified but how many pilots out there do not and are content with a POS like 4 8 3 3. I hope its not many but I am getting very worried something like that will pass.
PROVE ME WRONG FELLOW DELTA PILOTS
05-20-2012, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
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05-20-2012, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ilinipilot
Reposted from the TA thread
The time value of money arguement is very apparent. It was mentioned at least 3 times at the c44 meeting and RA has been saying it any chance he gets at the check airman meetings. He has brought up airways, AA, even UCAL. The sad thing is people are buying it hook line and sinker. I spoke to a check airmen in the crew room this weekend and asked him if he heard the rumors 4 8 3 3, and what he thought.
His answer was its not great but I can take it. Its close to my survey numbers and its nice to have something in the pocket now and not have to wait for a while. Plus what really got me was his comment that we can make gains now and set the stage for our next contract. NO our next contract is NOW.
This is what scares me the most. We all read the message board and they seem pretty unified but how many pilots out there do not and are content with a POS like 4 8 3 3. I hope its not many but I am getting very worried something like that will pass.
PROVE ME WRONG FELLOW DELTA PILOTS
The time value of money arguement is very apparent. It was mentioned at least 3 times at the c44 meeting and RA has been saying it any chance he gets at the check airman meetings. He has brought up airways, AA, even UCAL. The sad thing is people are buying it hook line and sinker. I spoke to a check airmen in the crew room this weekend and asked him if he heard the rumors 4 8 3 3, and what he thought.
His answer was its not great but I can take it. Its close to my survey numbers and its nice to have something in the pocket now and not have to wait for a while. Plus what really got me was his comment that we can make gains now and set the stage for our next contract. NO our next contract is NOW.
This is what scares me the most. We all read the message board and they seem pretty unified but how many pilots out there do not and are content with a POS like 4 8 3 3. I hope its not many but I am getting very worried something like that will pass.
PROVE ME WRONG FELLOW DELTA PILOTS
Time will tell. I suspect that if these numbers are true, it will be very close. Not good for the company, this pilot group or ALPA.
We should all know shortly.
05-20-2012, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RepublicofTexas
Time will tell. I suspect that if these numbers are true, it will be very close. Not good for the company, this pilot group or ALPA.
We should all know shortly.
We should all know shortly.
05-20-2012, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Funny how someone post those numbers on another forum and all of a sudden it comes from a reliable source. I read it on the internet so it must be true.
05-20-2012, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
These numbers are more reliable than you think.
Have you spoken to your rep? Unless I heard something from someone directly involved then I would find it hard to believe. Just curious why you think they are reliable. I think we will find out tomorrow the truth anyway.
05-20-2012, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Funny how someone post those numbers on another forum and all of a sudden it comes from a reliable source. I read it on the internet so it must be true.
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05-20-2012, 06:32 AM
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I'm trying to look on the bright side here, I trust my Reps. Maybe by tomorrow night we won't have to speculate and we'll see the real numbers. I have no idea if those numbers are accurate or not, but if they are, there had better be a whole lot of -other stuff- (ie. MONEY) burried in the 28 other sections of the contract, that will add significantly to our W2 and retirement funding.
Things like much higher per diem (tax deductible), Much more DC contributions (tax free), Much more 'minimum day' gaurantee (more days off), Much more credit for both training AND vacation, etc. I liked what I read about the sick leave improvments. Maybe the other sections have similar changes, that will add to our W2, and QOL, without adding to our IRS bill.
It's a big contract, there are lots of places they can stash money. The headlines will only talk about the actual "pay raise" number, but obviously, there's 28 other places that need to be increased as well.
Things like much higher per diem (tax deductible), Much more DC contributions (tax free), Much more 'minimum day' gaurantee (more days off), Much more credit for both training AND vacation, etc. I liked what I read about the sick leave improvments. Maybe the other sections have similar changes, that will add to our W2, and QOL, without adding to our IRS bill.
It's a big contract, there are lots of places they can stash money. The headlines will only talk about the actual "pay raise" number, but obviously, there's 28 other places that need to be increased as well.
05-20-2012, 06:45 AM
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What happens if you call out sick during a layover? Does the company fly you home? Any other details to think about? Thanks
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