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05-20-2012 | 08:45 AM
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05-20-2012 | 08:53 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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05-20-2012 | 09:08 AM
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4844 is a no from me. Why should I make less than SWA, FDX, UPS? Hopefully the MEC sends it back before I have that opportunity, or maybe that's just a rumor. The time value of money pales in comparison to the time value of lowered self worth- something you can never get back. How about the time value of lowered morale of your frontline leaders? That won't be cheap...
05-20-2012 | 10:06 AM
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I posted on here a long time ago that pilots would be shocked at managements opener on pay. I don't know if 4,8,3,3 is accurate but I can tell you that their opener was a lot less. For reasons I don't understand many pilots you would consider intelligent think we have some kind of massive leverage on the company. When I ask them what it is and what kind of dollar value they attach to it they get a deer in the headlights look.
The reality is that there are a bunch of little reasons management would like to get a contract done now. There are however no compelling reasons they need a contract complete. They are willing to spend a bit of money to get it done now but there is no reason to open your checkbook wide when you have the RLA in your back pocket. 5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.
I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later. I will not however vote for a 4,8,3,3 contract. I realize in effect its a 12 percent raise at the amendable date but I am not going to vote for it if it makes it out of the MEC. I have emailed my rep and asked him for a no vote if that is in fact the offer. In the end it comes down to the company showing some respect for the sacrifices of the pilot group. We should know tomorrow if the rumors are accurate. I hope they are not but if it comes to pass they are correct then the company has stated loud and clear how they value the pilot group and its sacrifices.
Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.
The reality is that there are a bunch of little reasons management would like to get a contract done now. There are however no compelling reasons they need a contract complete. They are willing to spend a bit of money to get it done now but there is no reason to open your checkbook wide when you have the RLA in your back pocket. 5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.
I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later. I will not however vote for a 4,8,3,3 contract. I realize in effect its a 12 percent raise at the amendable date but I am not going to vote for it if it makes it out of the MEC. I have emailed my rep and asked him for a no vote if that is in fact the offer. In the end it comes down to the company showing some respect for the sacrifices of the pilot group. We should know tomorrow if the rumors are accurate. I hope they are not but if it comes to pass they are correct then the company has stated loud and clear how they value the pilot group and its sacrifices.
Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.
05-20-2012 | 10:08 AM
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Finally met an APC'er
while on the jumpseat. Thanks TSquare for the ride! Nice use of expanding your team while dealing with "The Lady." BTW, it was all the Tennessee paraphenalia which clued me in! Have a great rest of the day and see ya round the farm. Here's hoping to some good news tomorrow.
05-20-2012 | 10:20 AM
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Generally speaking, I'd say 4,8,3,3 would be far beyond a complete failure.
05-20-2012 | 10:29 AM
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"Time Value of Money" is right up there with "Work Will Set You Free" as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to hear it from the company, or the union. Pay me what I'm worth from date of signing or consider this the beginning of a less mutually beneficial relationship.
05-20-2012 | 10:41 AM
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I do believe these are going to be the numbers. The silence this week has been deafening while this rumor has gained traction. RW was preaching 10%?? to match Southwest a few months ago, right??...well there you go. ALPA success!! Everyone wanted to match SW rates! They will massage the he$$ out of the numbers to make it appear that they were successful. ALPA magic! And throw in a few RJs to boot! Hey..we had to give up something.
05-20-2012 | 10:46 AM
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I do believe these are going to be the numbers. The silence this week has been deafening while this rumor has gained traction. RW was preaching 10%?? to match Southwest a few months ago, right??...well there you go. ALPA success!! Everyone wanted to match SW rates! They will massage the he$$ out of the numbers to make it appear that they were successful. ALPA magic! And throw in a few RJs to boot! Hey..we had to give up something.
IMO, only a complete FOOL would vote in a multi-YEAR contract with scope CONCESSIONS and these INSULTING pay rates.
Frankly, I cannot imagine that being the reality.
05-20-2012 | 10:48 AM
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Not to be Captain obvious here but...
Everyone and their mother knows that 4833 would never pass unless all the Alaska & JV loopholes are closed in Section 1 (which would be a wet dream). So why would the NT even agree to something like this?
Hopefully it's all speculation otherwise this was all a waste of time...
Everyone and their mother knows that 4833 would never pass unless all the Alaska & JV loopholes are closed in Section 1 (which would be a wet dream). So why would the NT even agree to something like this?
Hopefully it's all speculation otherwise this was all a waste of time...
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