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Airmanship is the problem. Airbus made a big point in their development that they intended to design a aircraft that did not require airmanship. Sadly it has not worked out quite like they planned. We have also watched as most airlines eliminate basic flying skills from training. If you don't require those skills you open the profession up to a larger group and can then lower wages. What does it say when a pilot at a major airline is not comfortable when cleared for the visual on downwind in a 757 flying a standard visual pattern and instead has to fly out to the OM before turning back into the field. They are not even comfortable with their own skills to fly the aircraft. When the chips are down and things go very bad it will not be a matter of trying to fall back on old skills, there will be no old skills to use and the result can be predicted in advance. More and more accidents are along these lines. Many pilots today could not pass a sim check from 25 years ago. The solution is make the check rides easier and easier. That falls back on management desire to expand the pool of pilots to keep wages low.
Icrew question. If you opt to view your current monthly schedule and a pop up appears requesting you to acknowledge an assignment what happens if you just log out without acknowledging? Are you considered "notified" for the assignment?
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You can just not put your password in and continue on to your schedule and see the pairing. You won't be considered notified. But they do know you looked at your schedule. I had a call from a scheduler once saying they saw I looked at my schedule and could I please acknowledge.
Icrew question. If you opt to view your current monthly schedule and a pop up appears requesting you to acknowledge an assignment what happens if you just log out without acknowledging? Are you considered "notified" for the assignment?
What if you are on long call and they call you with less than 12 hours to report and say "we see you looked at your schedule but didn't acknowledge your trip, we have a report trip that reports in 10 hours" I'm still trying to figure out the reserve system so just wondering how biding it is if you look at your schedule without acknowledging a trip.
I have a question concerning DCI. The 2011 10-k shows that we have contracts with the multitude of dci carriers ending between 2016-2022. How long are these contracts and when were they signed?
Because IF we're being asked to provide relief on 50 seaters via an exchange program with Bombardier, are we being had?
Were these contracts, and I honestly am askin because I don't know, recently extended for the purpose of boxing the airline into a corner so as to come to us in c2012 for relief? Acting as if these contracts extensions came before their time or are as old as the jets flying them?
Because IF we're being asked to provide relief on 50 seaters via an exchange program with Bombardier, are we being had?
Were these contracts, and I honestly am askin because I don't know, recently extended for the purpose of boxing the airline into a corner so as to come to us in c2012 for relief? Acting as if these contracts extensions came before their time or are as old as the jets flying them?
What if you are on long call and they call you with less than 12 hours to report and say "we see you looked at your schedule but didn't acknowledge your trip, we have a report trip that reports in 10 hours" I'm still trying to figure out the reserve system so just wondering how biding it is if you look at your schedule without acknowledging a trip.
The other day I starting SC at 1400 - saw in the morning that I had a trip that I didn't really want, so I waited to see if a WS picked it up or whatever (long short, but hey, didn't want it). At 1401 they called me to tell me about the trip.
In the situation you quote, until you acknowledge via your password in iCrew/eCrew, on the VRU or with a scheduler, you haven't acknowledged it.
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I have a question concerning DCI. The 2011 10-k shows that we have contracts with the multitude of dci carriers ending between 2016-2022. How long are these contracts and when were they signed?
Because IF we're being asked to provide relief on 50 seaters via an exchange program with Bombardier, are we being had?
Were these contracts, and I honestly am askin because I don't know, recently extended for the purpose of boxing the airline into a corner so as to come to us in c2012 for relief? Acting as if these contracts extensions came before their time or are as old as the jets flying them?
Because IF we're being asked to provide relief on 50 seaters via an exchange program with Bombardier, are we being had?
Were these contracts, and I honestly am askin because I don't know, recently extended for the purpose of boxing the airline into a corner so as to come to us in c2012 for relief? Acting as if these contracts extensions came before their time or are as old as the jets flying them?
Yours is an incredibly complex question that involves such confidential information that I doubt a dozen people know the answer. Back in 2009 a group had compiled what they thought was an accurate list with outstanding obligations of 25 Billion dollars through 2018.* We ran this by ALPA who initially responded "no way in hell." Two weeks later they were curious ran the numbers and said, "we think that's about right." (Gross payable under current agreements) The gross amount has grown considerably since then with the sale of Compass and Mesaba.
In many cases Delta retained status as the lessee, and / or owner, of the aircraft and in some cases Delta transferred that obligation. However, in nearly every case Delta was compelled to remain guarantor to meet the guarantee requirements of the financing covenants.
To sum up, Delta owes for the airplanes even in cases where it does not own or lease them.
I don't think any of these contracts were executed with the intent of "boxing the pilots in a corner." Rather, pilots were not a consideration since we have a;ways "played ball." Management believes they can renegotiate scope at their will and past practice indicates ALPA renegotiates scope rather than enforcing it.
Just track back to Contract 2000 which was ratified AFTER Delta had placed an order for about 550 RJ's. Contract 2000 was modified in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2006 just in time to allow airplanes ordered in 1999 to arrive without delay, including options!
If Contract 2000 ratios had been maintained the mainline fleet would have had to grow to nearly 1,400 airplanes to accommodate all the RJ's. That was impossible ... Contract 2000 scope language was doomed to failure from its very inception! That is why I've argued for an extensive re-write of scope language with the goal of making the language more inclusive.
If all Delta flying was done by Delta pilots, the NEW things that management has not even thought of yet (Delta private jets, more RJ's, codeshare, etc would be automatically owned by us by default). That is the power of unity.
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They would only belong to us if they can be done at a competitive cost. If not then the flying is lost and the feed with a net overall loss of mainline jobs. That is the real question. Where is the break on that cost factor. I know many here state we can do the flying and meet the costs required yet for some reason managements will go to inordinate lengths to force the outsourcing. The entire AMR chapter 13 is basically about the issue. Scope there was very tight. Management was willing to face a possible loss of control of the airline (now a possible reality) to get the cheaper feed. One wonders why management did not decide simply to do the flying at the mainline. It would be a huge win win if it could be done in a cost competitive fashion. Perhaps the actual reason every single management team is willing to go to war on the issue is that it can't.
I still firmly believe the E170/175 belongs at the mainline and could be operated close enough to regional carriers that the network could make up the revenue. I am not convinced anything smaller would work. I think in the end the jobs we gained on RJ's would be lost at the mainline as we pulled out of many feeder markets. Like virtually every pilot on this forum I don't have hard numbers however the fact that not one single management team has even made a attempt at it tells me something. I know the last numbers I saw from the EF@A team showed a massive cost difference. The average regional employee is on 2nd year pay making peanuts. Mainline employees are almost all maxed out on payscales that pay a lot more.
I still firmly believe the E170/175 belongs at the mainline and could be operated close enough to regional carriers that the network could make up the revenue. I am not convinced anything smaller would work. I think in the end the jobs we gained on RJ's would be lost at the mainline as we pulled out of many feeder markets. Like virtually every pilot on this forum I don't have hard numbers however the fact that not one single management team has even made a attempt at it tells me something. I know the last numbers I saw from the EF@A team showed a massive cost difference. The average regional employee is on 2nd year pay making peanuts. Mainline employees are almost all maxed out on payscales that pay a lot more.
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