And thus gloopy and Check Essential expand the Brotherhood of The Profession.

GF

Couple of highlights from the DTW LEC chairman:

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This is a cost neutral contract for the company and a lost opportunity for Delta pilots.

“We have deep respect for the process of membership ratification. Our vote was based on the quality of the TA not on your right to vote on the agreement.” I voted no because:

The TA did not satisfy the guidance and parameters as communicated by line pilots and the MEC

Known money was left on the table. This one time savings is based on a change to the PWA allowing for increased 76 seat aircraft and parking of additional 50 seat aircraft and the associated maintenance costs

The MEC could have modified the direction [of the negotiating committee], but that did not occur.

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Carl

The humor is in the truth!!!

If you're really going to have to leave the house at the same time for either, I'd head to LAX and have a much more enjoyable trip across the Pacific.

There is a reason that there were a few articles in local newspapers when the west coast A-330 flights to NRT became a 767. The articles were not complimentary. :)

The entertainment selection and the seat itself is vastly superior.

Apparently, as per the C54 letter, nodded to in this, and from other inside sources, there was a push to go back and try to get more money before the big vote. They knew it had little wow factor.

The fact is that this thing is well below the contract survey, and that has been well acknowledge.

Well.. where to we go from here? Swallow this big pill and be glad we have something in our stomach now? Or fight it out and risk going hungry?

We have some strong leaders...and we had some not-so-strong. What I can't get beyond is at the tail of a rapid company push, we (collectivelly) accepted their first offer as being "all they'll be willing to offer."

I've been on the company side of this in another life and a negotiator....our acquiescence is startling. We took the first offer from a company that wanted to expedite negotiations. What, what, what? And we didn't go back with at least a cursory "no, they won't accept that" "how about this?" I'm not saying it can't get better....I'm saying how do we know?

contrails,

thank you, my wife and I will head to LAX and enjoy our first 747 flight, sounds stupid but I feel like a kid again.

Humboldt

This is exactly my major hesitation with this thing. I feel like I'm at a car dealership and they want to make the deal that day.

You know the number in your head (the contract survey) that is the trigger.

This is like saying yes to a number that day that is higher than what you wanted to buy that car for. BAD!!!

I've been reading the letters from the DTW and SEA guys....they give me pause. What I've read, so far, from LAX just ****es me off. Excuses, defense, and no empathy. That doesn't play well.

I'm extremely impressed with the SEA letter.... the whole thing.

superdad was disingenious and cut off the "yes" balance of it, which I posted. Make sure you go back and read that as well.

I'm quite perturbed with the fact that every NNP ends with the line telling you that they strongly advise you to vote for this thing. My mind is not made up, and them telling me to make up my mind in their favor makes me resist that.