Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1193796)

I think I have to walk away too. If you are equating a less-than-ideal TA with defending a child molester, then you have some serious issues, issues that no TA or lack thereof would ever resolve.

Vote NO and be done with it.

Also, sometimes this week's anger is next weeks forgotten afterthought. You cannot even find a negative mention of our C2K on these boards any more. It is held up as an exalted contract that sets the standard for all hopeful future contracts.

And yet, I can remember when it was approved by the membership back in 2000 or early 2001, I had a fellow pilot on the crew bus telling me how he was going to "quit the union" because the contract was "so concessionary." Nothing I tried to tell him would dissuade him from his opinion at the time. Looking back, I am guessing he probably thinks a bit differently now.

That said, absent some info that I haven't discovered yet, I can't see voting for this TA. We could have done better, and should have. I especially hate the "you might get new airplanes" sales pitch. Let's face it. Ultimately, management will buy or not buy the planes they need to run this airline. A TA shouldn't need ratification to lock in our management's business strategy. More carrot and stick BS.

Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1193783)

Hot dog carts. The 9 other items you mention i have no answer for. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1193831)

Note one: Upon the delivery of a 223rd 76-seat aircraft, the number of
39 permitted 50-seat aircraft will be 125 regardless of the number otherwise
40 provided in Exception one.
41 Note two: If on January 1, 2014, or any succeeding January 1 thereafter, the
42 number of 50-seat aircraft in category A or C operations exceeds the
43 maximum permitted number, the Company will require carriers that engage
44 in category A or C operations to suspend or cease operations on a sufficient
45 number of 50-seat aircraft or 76-seat aircraft to comply with these
46 requirements within 60 days and to remain in compliance thereafter. The
Section 1 - Scope
1-7
1 Company will be excused from compliance with the provisions of this Note in
2 the event a circumstance over which the Company does not have control is the
3 cause of such non-compliance.


NO
Guess what another Sep 11th, another economic downturn, another STUPID management decision and we'll be screwed again!!!

Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1193838)

I love that our career has been reduced to hot dog carts. Be sure and hold your head high in your uniform.

Originally Posted by flh57 (Post 1193830)

The pay raise we will see doesn't even get us back to where we were 12 years ago. New min day 4:30 will mean working 18 days a month. Additional RJ flying, what else am I missing. We hear you loud and clear! I don't think so....