That is the billion dollar question. I would love for dalpa to prove that what they sent us is what was called for in the survey. I would, however, bet money they can't back up what they sent.

Now that the TA has been approved by the MEC there is no reason to withhold the survey results anymore. No more chance of "showing our cards" that they kept using as an excuse.

 

We need memrat on all loa's big time. Who cares if it results in a bit of a delay during the voting period. The power should rest with the membership, not the MEC.

 

This is a great question. It's pretty clear that you're absolutely correct that it would be 95 hours. It's as plain as day in the TA.
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There's an exception for trips reporting after 2200 local. In those cases, the new daily average credit doesn't apply. Therefore the LAX three day red eyes will still be worth 10:30.

Like someone here is so fond of saying: "the devil is in the details." This detail is spelled out, but there are many details that aren't so clear because the language is weak and requires good faith interpretation on the part of management. Sleep tight.

Carl

 

Hey, hey hey!!!

Carl

 

Southwest's LOA 12 has the following provisions.

1. ADG will be applied per calendar day (0300 to 0259 domicile time) for multi-duty period pairings.

2. ADG will be applied per duty period rather than calendar day for all single duty period pairings.

3. A 15% Red-Eye premium (REP) will be applied to all Red-Eye flights. The REP will be added to the duty period containing red-eye flights. The sum of the duty period credits containing REP will be compared to ADG and THR and will pay the greater.

4. Panama and northern South America (Venezuela, Columbia, Peru, Ecuador) will not be considered Far International for pay purposes for three years after the start of those services. After 3 years they will be considered Far International.

Bottom line is that redeyes don't automatically get a 15% premium as it's a component of and compared to duty rigs, and ADG isn't on a calendar day but a shifted base time clock.

One other point, I don't believe Southwest's network currently flies any redeyes. The AirTran network does.

 

That's absolutely right. But you don't understand that I'm not insulting anyone. I'm simply stating the current state of our "union". It is one of completely marginalizing line pilot input (unless your input agrees with the MEC admins), and our reps input (unless they agree with the MEC admins). I've spoken personally to current reps and many former reps that describe the "mushrooming" that occurs if you do not show complete allegiance to the MEC admins. I've seen it myself in union work, but NEVER this bad. I don't believe even Moak would have dared do what Mr. O'Malley has done with this TA.

The process was completely flouted, and the reps were completely outmaneuvered. The reps were faced with a no-win situation once they realized they had been ignored. Unanimously vote NO and have an extremely angry MEC admin go back to the company and renegotiate while furious, or vote YES and pick the safest choice of two very bad and unecessary choices.

Again, not insulting...just saying how it was. It's incredibly sad.

Carl

 

I would like to see a chart based on the assumption of 50 seaters leaving at the end of leases without this TA.

 

Yes indeed. THAT'S how a union behaves.

Carl

 

It is too low, but there's an exception to even that already low guarantee. If the trip reports after 2200 local time, this 4:30 per day guarantee doesn't apply. Therefore the current LAX 3 day red eye trips that are worth 10:30 will remain valued at 10:30.

Carl

 

You're absolutely right, but the "union" is clearly saying that we will NEVER see those survey results. Not just maybe later, but NEVER.

I said this right after the survey was announced, and was inundated with public and PM's stating that I was smearing DALPA, and that my blind rage against DALPA was making me say things that would not happen.

Good times.

Carl