Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-05-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Just curious, what about trip rig (1 for 3.5)? It seems to be a factor on longer trips...
Denny
Denny
Example....Day 1 depart ATL 2200 to West coast. TAFB 3 hrs
Day 2-5 what ever, but 5 days X 24 TAFB 120 hrs
Day 7 Red Eye back TAFB 3 hrs
At 1 to 3.5 Pay is 36 hours
06-05-2012, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by eruption
Oh, you'll be effecient.....
Day 1...7 hour block
Day 2....5 hour block
Day 3.... 24 hour sit
Etc....
At the end of 8 days you be bumping 30 in 7, but get 36 hours pay....due to the 4+30 rule
EDIT part: Forgot to add to less efficient aspect that you mock is just down the road when the new FAR rest rules take effect....You will get your rest....just not at home!
Day 1...7 hour block
Day 2....5 hour block
Day 3.... 24 hour sit
Etc....
At the end of 8 days you be bumping 30 in 7, but get 36 hours pay....due to the 4+30 rule
EDIT part: Forgot to add to less efficient aspect that you mock is just down the road when the new FAR rest rules take effect....You will get your rest....just not at home!
06-05-2012, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eruption
Dig all you want.....
It's just like the show with Jody Foster..."Contact"
It was all so confusing until they found the "Primer", then it became totally clear how to build the time travel machine....
The new FAR work/rest rules are the Primer for unlocking the "gotchas" of this TA.
Just like the new Scope! Bring up Large RJ's up to 325. Then lock in the block hour ratio.....
Once locked....Shrink mainline and drop the remaining 111 50 seat RJ's to maintain correct ratio.
Once mainline is shrunk....bring on next merger
Pay Management handsomely! They really are THAT good! Tip of the hat to Anderson..... suckas!
It's just like the show with Jody Foster..."Contact"
It was all so confusing until they found the "Primer", then it became totally clear how to build the time travel machine....
The new FAR work/rest rules are the Primer for unlocking the "gotchas" of this TA.
Just like the new Scope! Bring up Large RJ's up to 325. Then lock in the block hour ratio.....
Once locked....Shrink mainline and drop the remaining 111 50 seat RJ's to maintain correct ratio.
Once mainline is shrunk....bring on next merger
Pay Management handsomely! They really are THAT good! Tip of the hat to Anderson..... suckas!
I do think that the scope section and even with the delivery of all the 717s will create as few as 220 new pilot positions, though. That number has not been disputed.
06-05-2012, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It is highly unlikely that they would drop the remaining 50 seaters... there is a place for them, just they over bought them by a large margin.
I do think that the scope section and even with the delivery of all the 717s will create as few as 220 new pilot positions, though. That number has not been disputed.
I do think that the scope section and even with the delivery of all the 717s will create as few as 220 new pilot positions, though. That number has not been disputed.
06-05-2012, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by eruption
"Highly unlikely"......well if you say so.....
There are a number of markets that can't support large aircraft which will need that size aircraft.
06-05-2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by eruption
"Highly unlikely"......well if you say so.....
Where have I heard that before...
That said:
The interesting thing about TA/NO TA with regards to NB scope:
No TA:
No cap on 50 seats, but economics is driving to park them
102 70 seaters
153 76 seaters.
By taking 34 aircraft, of ANY type, the company can convert all the 70s to 76 seaters.
255 70+ seat jets.
TA Passes
223 76 seaters
102 70 seaters
325 70+ seat jets
But the company can only get the additional 76 seaters if they take all 88 717s (or 319s), which will drive the block hour ratio to 1.7Xish.
AFTER the company gets all of the 717s/319s, they can turn around and park 767 domestics and smaller aircraft back down to a BHL of 1.56, which would be about 40 aircraft above what we have now.
That sound right? How is that not a pump and dump? They're not getting 70 more 76 seaters in exchange for 88 seat NBs, they're getting 70 more 76 seaters in exchange for 40 NB aircraft, AND getting to keep the 102 70 seaters they already have.
Nu
06-05-2012, 10:07 AM
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Just remember guys, Delta cannot afford to fly large RJ's at mainline....they are going broke. DALPA has told us so
Delta invests $65 million in Aeromexico - latimes.com
Delta to Buy $100 Million Gol Stake to Boost Brazil Flying - Businessweek
Delta buys a Phillips 66 refinery for $180 million through a subsidiary | World Airline News
As an aside for those in the know....what affect do these purchases have on profit sharing payout?
Delta invests $65 million in Aeromexico - latimes.com
Delta to Buy $100 Million Gol Stake to Boost Brazil Flying - Businessweek
Delta buys a Phillips 66 refinery for $180 million through a subsidiary | World Airline News
As an aside for those in the know....what affect do these purchases have on profit sharing payout?
06-05-2012, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Yeah, and the analysts were still bullish on Delta I believe. Hence the stock rebounding today. A fare war with Delta in Atlanta? Are you kidding?
06-05-2012, 10:42 AM
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Forgive me if I missed the memo, but when do I get to vote no on this thing?
06-05-2012, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
But the company can only get the additional 76 seaters if they take all 88 717s (or 319s), which will drive the block hour ratio to 1.7Xish.
AFTER the company gets all of the 717s/319s, they can turn around and park 767 domestics and smaller aircraft back down to a BHL of 1.56, which would be about 40 aircraft above what we have now.
That sound right? How is that not a pump and dump? They're not getting 70 more 76 seaters in exchange for 88 seat NBs, they're getting 70 more 76 seaters in exchange for 40 NB aircraft, AND getting to keep the 102 70 seaters they already have.
Nu
Of course the part that seemingly ALWAYS gets left out in these discussions is the decline of the 218 50 seaters that will accompany this. At least you admitted there would be an additional NB aircraft on mainline.. And *sigh* again... if you would rather wait another 12 years to get rid of the 50s.. by all means vote no.
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