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Old 06-14-2012 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Yes so by immediately voting NO tomorrow you'll ensure that all the flying in the world can be transferred to rehabbed 50 seaters while Delta furloughs. Yes. Smart. I like the way you think. It's crisp and wordly and not in the slightest bit selfish or entitled.

I agree, the economy sucks and DAL will move capacity to where it makes sense and is most profitable. This TA will not stop that if it is voted down or not. The ER guys (i am one of them) will just fly the 737 for todays rates and the sting will be that much more. I do not follow logic the previous post, sounds compelling but non sensical.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Yes so by immediately voting NO tomorrow you'll ensure that all the flying in the world can be transferred to rehabbed 50 seaters while Delta furloughs. Yes. Smart. I like the way you think. It's crisp and wordly and not in the slightest bit selfish or entitled.

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense.

This sounds entitled/selfish? Based on what, the realization that the company's promises of growth are smoke and mirrors. If we reduce widebody flying I don't think we will need more pilots....there are more concessions in this TA than there are positives.

I will vote no tomorrow because this TA was a rush job and it falls short of my expectations in many areas, plain and simple.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
How many TAs would you shoot down to get that sweet Canadian lovin? One? Two? 10?

I'm trying to judge if you're committed or insane. I'm leaning towards the latter.
When you can make mature, reasonable, debates I'll re-engage you. Until then, I'm out. You're not helping your cause.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
We will pay for any improvements in another TA, we may get 5% more but we will give it up somewhere else. It is a negotiation. .
Then why bother? Better off with my union dues staying in my pocket, instead of paying admission to a zero sum game.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
When you can make mature, reasonable, debates I'll re-engage you. Until then, I'm out. You're not helping your cause.
I've put Sailor on my ignore list...I tried to engage him in a thoughtful discussion and I like hearing differing opinions, but he resorted to condescension & general rudeness. I'm sure his heart is broken.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by texavia
Then why bother? Better off with my union dues staying in my pocket, instead of paying admission to a zero sum game.
I am not sure where dues come into play. My point is really that DALPA can only go back and negotiate again. Demanding is not going to do it IMO. The company will not give in unless they get something in return. Zero would be turning this TA down and going back, you would still be paying dues. This TA and its time frame is a positive in tough economic times. I am willing to move forward and capitalize on further opportunities.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
I am not sure where dues come into play. My point is really that DALPA can only go back and negotiate again. Demanding is not going to do it IMO. The company will not give in unless they get something in return. Zero would be turning this TA down and going back, you would still be paying dues. This TA and its time frame is a positive in tough economic times. I am willing to move forward and capitalize on further opportunities.
I'm going to quote MSP LEC Chairman Steve Mayer who said that he was positive that the company would pay more to ensure TA passage. Again I think this TA will pass anyway, and we'll all move on.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I've put Sailor on my ignore list...I tried to engage him in a thoughtful discussion and I like hearing differing opinions, but he resorted to condescension & general rudeness. I'm sure his heart is broken.
Not a bad plan Sir. I prefer those who are capable of conversation without slinging insults.
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by texavia
Then why bother? Better off with my union dues staying in my pocket, instead of paying admission to a zero sum game.
Ahhhhh now you see it my friend. With these guys, every dollar in your pocket is a dollar that ain't in theirs! Us northies went on strike and we still debate what we got for it. A PHASE OUT of B scale, a good thing. The NWA version of ALV, not such a good thing

Anyway, sorta TIC......only sorta
Old 06-14-2012 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I plan to do my part.
And I respect that. Everyone has their own standards.
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