Very well. You make an excellent point. I was specifically thinking about an M88B as the OP said he was. The 88 doesn't have as many (any) of the crappy 10:30 3-days that you guys do. My oversight, and I feel your pain.

Many of the LAX trips won't qualify for the ADG either as they report after 22:00. This is a huge negative in the TA and I freely admit they should not have been cut out. Most of the other bases will see nearly a 30% increase in credit on those crappy 3 days though, so for plenty of pilots this will result in less days worked.

On the other hand, your schedule won't be any worse than it currently is (small consolation I know, ha) as the OP was asserting. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've been fighting it, but time is turning me ATL-centric

 

Why don't you take a look at the LAX B lines. Almost everyone is working 14-18 days a month. And in comparison to SWA (which by the way still has line of time bidding (no PBS), trips touching for vacation, 150% for their equivalent of white slips) the average F/O works 12-13 days/month for their $130K/year and we're still not even close to their contract in 2015 (without any pay increases to their current contract). And oh by the way, they have some 12 year Captains (I know they're probably going to stagnate going forward but we're talking about today). I still don't (even in the most optimistic scenario that YES advocates are talking about), as a 2000 hire, expect to make Captain at DAL before I retire in 10 years - that is 22 years as a Delta First Officer when I was told at my interview that "Delta hires Captains" - I guess they don't need many Captains anymore (or you need to get hired at 30 to make Captain at DAL). This contract doesn't come close to the supposed goal of SWA+ and don't tell me that this is the best we can do and be happy about it - we lost all our leverage when the NC agreed to a TA and sent it to the MEC - once the company got that I believe any chance of improvements was lost. I believe we were fed a line by Tim O and the MEC when they said if we couldn't get a contract that met our goals we would resort to the traditional route - they admitted that this fell short in a number of areas and they agreed to it any way.

 

Originally Posted by tsquare
So what about our little wager? Care to put your money where your mouth is?

Sure T-bagger

Except the original offer still stands.

If I may refresh your recollection. That offer was made well over a week ago and you wanted to modify it to over 10 x the original amount along with some obscure metrosexual sounding rare Italian liquor that you happen to procure only on your Rome layovers.

Even though a week has passed, and by nature you'd have to sit on your hands and color for only two weeks now instead of three, I still say your self inflated ego ego will seek more validation and you won't be able to do it

So, my offer of $100 and a case of beer or $30 dollars in lieu of that if you want to put it towards your special cordial or aperitif or whatever it is that tickles you, great.

As an FO with kids and family and a retirement I am still trying to re-fund, that is all I can afford on this post bankruptcy era pay we are on. Did I forget saving for college.

Just tell ACL if you except. My guess is, particularly now, your ego coupled with the superciliousness that oozes from you won't allow you to do it. You really hate it when folks question your preemninence and in your mind don't pay distinction to your rank(s).

Did the zoo or the boy scouts do that to you?

 

He sounds bad, you sound worse. The problem is you have no idea how you are reflecting on yourself.

 

I voted no to tripling the size of compass.

If you can't see that your a moron and need to call sick.....and yes we'll need a doctors note for that now.

Fly2002

 

First of all... T-bagger is extremely offensive.

You're on.. I will PM ACL. He will tell you where to send the $130 check.

Funny that you complain about being poor, yet you will vote away a 20% pay increase... must not be too broke.

But I can stand on my head for 2 weeks easy...

C ya.. after I sign off today, I won't be back until the vote is over.

 

Cash only, not taking your check.

Game on. Except it starts now. Not at the end of the day.

Ask around how many F/O's with familys are living pay check to pay check. Many have wives that have had to re-enter the work force if they are lucky enough to even find employment.

So, I laugh at your little poor cheap shot and not bending to your way of seeing this 20% as adequate. I personally see it as inadequate and the opportunity for a modest increase on their offer as achieveable.

pssst. It's also not really 20% and the out years won't even cover inflation.

Perhaps T-bagger was offensive. Obviously weren't in the Navy

 

Yes I was in the Navy.. but when you used that you KNEW it was offensive. But you are smoking crack if you think we are gonna get "modestly" more anytime soon. Inflation cuts into it as soon as you say no, and the amount it will take to recover what we are saying no to will be soon out of reach. It's just math.

Oh.. I and I know lots of people that are living paycheck to paycheck.. and most of them would KILL to make what our FOs are making, so don't start with that... It just shows how oblivious you are to the world around you.

Get a clue.. See ya in two weeks..

 

Not to be a jerk, but it's you're. Probably that stupid autocorrect. Gets me all the time.

Plus, you don't need a doctors note to call in sick. Your sick time will just be count towards your 100 hours of unverified sick time. NOTHING stops management from requiring you to get a doctors note under the current contract.

A NO vote is still fine with me, but I just wanted to clear that up.

 

OK, so I am in the middle of this. Neat-O , I think.