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Old 09-23-2012 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's really quite simple. Had DAL remained independent and maintained it's planned international expansion, it would've spelled disaster for you. You'd likely still be on furlough. I likely would've been furloughed from NWA too. The merger made one company better together then the two companies apart. It's simply undeniable.

Would you prefer we continue to serve Europe at a loss? Do you honestly believe that had Delta remained independent, your airline would still be serving Cairo, Amman, Mumbai non stop, Berlin, etc?

The reductions in capacity sucks. But so does the global economy, our countries debt, the jobless rate, Delta's debt, and Gary Bettman(only NHL fans will understand that one). I want to be holding great, commutable line on the fleet of my choice too. But apparently is just not my time.

I know you're happy to work at Delta, but I think your pointing the blame at FNWA management is off the mark. You're a business guy, so if you can prove to me the economy is ready for us to expand, or that other Legacies aren't following in our footsteps, I'll think otherwise.

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Old 09-23-2012 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The merger made one company better together then the two companies apart. It's simply undeniable.
On a similar yet totally different topic...

Did anyone imagine that within 5 years of the DAL/NW merger, the names "Mesaba" "ASA" and "Comair" would entirely dissapear from the regional world?

And yet you're still left with 400+ regional jets...

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Old 09-23-2012 | 07:32 AM
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It amazes me that some self proclaimed scope hawks couldn't see the value in the massive scope recapture this contract paved the way for. Great reply Slow

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Old 09-23-2012 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
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Old 09-23-2012 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's really quite simple. Had DAL remained independent and maintained it's planned international expansion, it would've spelled disaster for you. You'd likely still be on furlough. I likely would've been furloughed from NWA too. The merger made one company better together then the two companies apart. It's simply undeniable.

Would you prefer we continue to serve Europe at a loss? Do you honestly believe that had Delta remained independent, your airline would still be serving Cairo, Amman, Mumbai non stop, Berlin, etc?

The reductions in capacity sucks. But so does the global economy, our countries debt, the jobless rate, Delta's debt, and Gary Bettman(only NHL fans will understand that one). I want to be holding great, commutable line on the fleet of my choice too. But apparently it's just not my time.

I know you're happy to work at Delta, but I think your pointing the blame at FNWA management is off the mark. You're a business guy, so if you can prove to me the economy is ready for us to expand, or that other Legacies aren't following in our footsteps, I'll think otherwise.
Insert the fact Delta funds 50% of our codeshare on Air France's A380's and recompute that opinion. The only part of Delta which has retreated from Europe is the part that you and I work for.

IMHO the model of acquiring airlines, then shutting them down to remove capacity is more expensive than the temporary benefits of capacity reductions repay. Just as we cheer for American to merge with US Air, our competitors grow at our expense as a result of our merger.
Old 09-23-2012 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
It amazes me that some self proclaimed scope hawks couldn't see the value in the massive scope recapture this contract paved the way for. Great reply Slow
Actually, I applauded that ... .
Old 09-23-2012 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Insert the fact Delta funds 50% of our codeshare on Air France's A380's and recompute that opinion. The only part of Delta which has retreated from Europe is the part that you and I work for.
Are you saying we as Delta pilots receive no AF passengers from the JV? Do DL passengers go to only A380's? Or do they also get on AF 320's, KLM Fokkers, etc? Are we not fed AF/KLM pax?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
IMHO the model of acquiring airlines, then shutting them down to remove capacity is more expensive than the temporary benefits of capacity reductions repay. Just as we cheer for American to merge with US Air, our competitors grow at our expense as a result of our merger.
So wait.....Delta has shut down NWA??? And what Legacy competitors are growing? UsAir, AA, UAL, and SWA certainly aren't. In fact, most are following our footsteps and further reducing capacity. So what US competitor is growing? I know the LCCs have orders, and Spirit has done a little growing. Maybe Allegiant. VA is trying to stay above water. Maybe AS? But not by much, and the percentage of allowed DL Codeshare passengers decreased(minus a few routes).

So which of our competitors are growing??
Old 09-23-2012 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
It amazes me that some self proclaimed scope hawks couldn't see the value in the massive scope recapture this contract paved the way for. Great reply Slow
So when is hiring starting and when can we expect an AE with huge upward movement?
Old 09-23-2012 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So which of our competitors are growing??
Jet Blue for one has enjoyed our retreat from Boston.

Old 09-23-2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Jet Blue for one has enjoyed our retreat from Boston.

That's all you've got? Growth in Boston? Is Delta the only airline who has pulled back in BOS? How is our CASM compared to JB?


You also never answered an earlier question, so I'll ask it again. Had Delta remained independent, would you still be on the 767 flying to Amman, Cairo, Berlin, etc? Would DAL still be serving Cape Town, Mumbai non stop, etc?
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