Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-26-2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Well, HI isn't deep into BK and argueably about to liquidate. And HALPA won't likely waive their scope and M&A language, nor will ALPA and independant lawyers they hire advise them to, nor will DALPA/DL/RA ask them to as a precondition of the merger. And even if aaaaaaaaaaaaaall that happened anyway, the TWA pattern still has the top seniority tier zippered into the top of the DL list just like the top tier of TWA was with the AA list.
Anyway I'm not advocating for a staple of the entire pilot group. All I'm saying is that many things should be taken into account and in no way should DALPA facilitate every new hire class jumping up 1 or 2000 numbers just because they ran another new hire class just prior to the merger date. IMO 100% of first and second year HI pilots should be stapled (especially with their horrendously low pay) the rest can be zippered in starting at the 330 level or slightly lower if we add in some base locks for them. Some HI pilots would end up quite high on the list, and that's fine.
And maybe (probably) they will force it to arbitration anyway. That's fine, that's how it works. But DALPA shouldn't just roll over and accept a full on relative windfall, especially for 1st and 2nd year pilots that would be insane. DALPA has an obligation to fight for current DALPA pilots and I would expect them to do that. If the end result of an arbitrated award is "unfair" then oh well.
Anyway I'm not advocating for a staple of the entire pilot group. All I'm saying is that many things should be taken into account and in no way should DALPA facilitate every new hire class jumping up 1 or 2000 numbers just because they ran another new hire class just prior to the merger date. IMO 100% of first and second year HI pilots should be stapled (especially with their horrendously low pay) the rest can be zippered in starting at the 330 level or slightly lower if we add in some base locks for them. Some HI pilots would end up quite high on the list, and that's fine.
And maybe (probably) they will force it to arbitration anyway. That's fine, that's how it works. But DALPA shouldn't just roll over and accept a full on relative windfall, especially for 1st and 2nd year pilots that would be insane. DALPA has an obligation to fight for current DALPA pilots and I would expect them to do that. If the end result of an arbitrated award is "unfair" then oh well.
09-26-2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Had that been an MD-88, it'd been done faster and looked better but the bank would be unintentional.
09-26-2012, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
The bottom guys on OUR list will probably feel the most pain, but since there are only 500+/- of them.. it won't be all that bad..
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09-26-2012, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Simple- starting with year 2007, pilots will be slotted at straight DOH.
09-26-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The TWA treatment is only reserved for AMR.
HAL, well, give or take some of their guys will win very big and that's just the way it is when we've determined relative seniority is the way.
HAL, well, give or take some of their guys will win very big and that's just the way it is when we've determined relative seniority is the way.
09-26-2012, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That would be one way to address it. Also the top DL pilots (equivalent 74/777 positions) should be placed above the top HI pilot. Once those two things are done, we can move to fairly and realistically address the middle. Some will mirror the results of "relative" or close to it, but I would expect a complete approach to it rather than some abstract template. If we can't agree to what's fair and equitable, we take it to arbitration, fight like pitbulls for our pilots and accept the outcome, as should they.
That is why I think what we did with the DAL/NWA SLI was the best--or least bad--approach: try to negotiate an SLI (which we know will never happen) and then go to arbitration, select a 3-person panel so as to avoid any one individual's possible quirks, and have a well-prepared merger committee make their best possible presentations.
09-26-2012, 09:47 AM
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DANG, double post.
09-26-2012, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The rudder remains effective through the stall.
And then they stay there taunting you by saying "this was our position when we quit working."
09-26-2012, 09:54 AM
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So, I haven't been on in a few days, but it seems like merger mania has broken out. When did they announce the merger with Hawaiian?...this is cool and all, but I can't find news about it anywhere.
09-26-2012, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Well, at least that's not the first time someone at the top showed little empathy or concern for someone at the bottom.
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