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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1273148)
Well, the way I read it, according to NNP 12-08, you can NOT do what you are suggesting. The trip has to pass thru open time before it can go back on to Pilot A's line and then it would subject him to the max pick up. Here is a quote from the Negotiators Note Pad:
Trip Parking open time before it can again be placed on his line.Under the TA, the Pilot to Pilot Swap Board will be reprogrammed to prevent a pilot from moving a rotation to another pilot’s line of time and later retrieving it from that pilot. If a rotation leaves a pilot’s line via the Swap Board, it will have to pass through Examples: 1. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, he cannot immediately move that rotation back to his line. 2. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, and Pilot B moves that rotation to the line of Pilot C, the rotation cannot immediately be moved back to the lines of Pilots A or B. 3. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B and Pilot B drops it into open time, Pilot A can pick up that rotation via PCS. 4. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, Pilot B drops it into open time, and Pilot C picks it up via PCS, Pilot A can then move the rotation from the line of Pilot C to his own line (with the concurrence of Pilot C). Am I missing something? Denny A never gets his original rotation back...he gets B's rotation. B gets A's. |
Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1273284)
Don't you know the MEC and ALPA Legal have final creative control over LEC Letters? That's still vastly filtered. That's like a horse that can talk. "That's amazing!" you say, but you should still wonder later why that horse could talk.
The MEC controls the spin. The contract survey said simply "more money, less RJs". One Internet based survey isn't enough to specify specific contract demands. In terms of two months of section 6 we got exactly what we paid for. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1273173)
The way I read Scambo's post was that you only needed 3 guys. Well, yes, you only need 3 guys but, and its a big but, the trip needs to pass thru open time before it can go back onto pilot A's line.
Denny They never get their original trip back. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1273350)
That is what you are missing. the A crew ends up being the B crew and the B crew ends up being the A crew.
They never get their original trip back. Correct. It's not the same rotation. Same trip, same plane, same day, but different rotation number=loophole. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1273350)
That is what you are missing. the A crew ends up being the B crew and the B crew ends up being the A crew.
They never get their original trip back. I guess I'm having a hard time picturing how this would work since it all starts with a trip that is in open time. Pilot A gives trip to Pilot B then Pilot A whiteslips opentime trip and then picks up "different" trip from Pilot B that is the "B" trip of pilot A's original trip given to Pilot B. Again, if I'm reading you correctly, you (the generic you) can only do this on a double crewed aircraft/pairing, not domestically? Denny |
With all this talk of sell jobs, I thought I'd mention that a little birdie told me our MEC spent over $650,000 to sell the most recent TA.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1273346)
Wouldn't it mean that the publications from c1, 20 and 54, are factually correct then?
If an LEC chooses to put out flawed info even after the review process found legitimate errors, then they would not be factually correct. I would agree that the opinions expressed in LEC pubs are factually correct.;) |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1273371)
With all this talk of sell jobs, I thought I'd mention that a little birdie told me our MEC spent over $650,000 to sell the most recent TA.
C2012 was a lower cost endeavor than fighting until 2015 and the outcome was more certain. We have some real problems. I'm not sure profligate spending is at the top of the list. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1273370)
Okay, if I'm reading you correctly, it can only be done your way if you're double crewed?
I guess I'm having a hard time picturing how this would work since it all starts with a trip that is in open time. Pilot A gives trip to Pilot B then Pilot A whiteslips opentime trip and then picks up "different" trip from Pilot B that is the "B" trip of pilot A's original trip given to Pilot B. Again, if I'm reading you correctly, you (the generic you) can only do this on a double crewed aircraft/pairing, not domestically? Denny On the double crewed 777, it is an easy workaround. I have no idea how many promotions this costs the more junior pilots, but it has to be at least some amount. |
A very quick lookup on espn.com shows Ohio State has 3 more active NFL players than GA. Miami (Fla) has 17 more.
so GA- 35 OSU- 38 Miami - 47 USC - 48 Of course this is from ESPN.com. |
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