Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1273070)

Trip parking in its old form is not gone on the 777, it has just changed. The 777 uses an A and a B crew on each trip.

New Trip parking requires 3 pilots to do the swap.

3 friends, A, B, C: A and C are flying the same trip/destination.

A puts a trip on B's line then a whiteslips and gets his trip. Now A gets C's trip and C gets A's old trip from B.

Victory! Backslaps all around. Is this a fix?

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1273138)

That shouldn't be hard to fix. A little contract "clarification" and a few extra lines of code.
I can't believe people are really doing this though. Do they not understand that trip parking hurts us all?
Do 777 pilots have no shame?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1273148)

Well, the way I read it, according to NNP 12-08, you can NOT do what you are suggesting. The trip has to pass thru open time before it can go back on to Pilot A's line and then it would subject him to the max pick up. Here is a quote from the Negotiators Note Pad:

Trip Parking

Under the TA, the Pilot to Pilot Swap Board will be reprogrammed to prevent a pilot

from moving a rotation to another pilot’s line of time and later retrieving it from that
pilot. If a rotation leaves a pilot’s line via the Swap Board, it will have to pass through

open time before it can again be placed on his line.
Examples:
1. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, he cannot immediately move that
rotation back to his line.
2. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, and Pilot B moves that rotation to
the line of Pilot C, the rotation cannot immediately be moved back to the lines of
Pilots A or B.
3. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B and Pilot B drops it into open
time, Pilot A can pick up that rotation via PCS.
4. If Pilot A moves a rotation to the line of Pilot B, Pilot B drops it into open time,
and Pilot C picks it up via PCS, Pilot A can then move the rotation from the line
of Pilot C to his own line (with the concurrence of Pilot C).

Am I missing something?

Denny

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1273090)

Quoted from the DC-9 Fall Newsletter. It's genius if you think about it. A mountain of spare parts, a low insurance cost airplane (because its worthless to anyone else), the lowest per block hour crew cost, and all you gotta do is stoke it with fuel.

When was the last time Delta bought a regional? Quit living so far in the past. Delia's a 37 billion a year company. We could buy and sell Comair three times a MONTH. Do you still feel entitled to that money? Want to guess how many weeks it takes Delta to generate revenue to cover pilot payroll for a year.

You may need to focus on a different type of scope. As in you need to realize what your paltry fee for a year's worth of service looks like to an upper level executive.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1273157)

It's not just 777 guys and it does hurt us all. There are some selfish bastards out there.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1273171)

You're definitely right about that although I don't know any statistics on trip parking but the first I ever heard of it was with 88 pilots but the first time I ever heard it justified was on a DH with a 777B sitting beside me. I had no idea really what it was at the time but his reasoning was we don't get enough hours and you can't pick anything up so there, it's a good thing.

Remember, from time to time people come on here and say "hey, I have a week of vacation and nothing to do on it, can I pick up a trip over my vacation?" The answer, HELL NO. And occasionally the response is "why not??!?"

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273163)

Option 4 is what they are talking about, right?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1273173)

The way I read Scambo's post was that you only needed 3 guys. Well, yes, you only need 3 guys but, and its a big but, the trip needs to pass thru open time.

Denny

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1273173)

The way I read Scambo's post was that you only needed 3 guys. Well, yes, you only need 3 guys but, and its a big but, the trip needs to pass thru open time.

Denny

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1273179)

I like people that like big buts. They cannot lie. :D


I'm interested to hear more about this.... you know people are itching to try to find a way around the trip parking deal.