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Timbo 12-06-2012 05:53 AM

And that my friends, is why there was such a rush to get this done, and why they didn't have any more than 4,8,3,3 for us.

They can spend Billions on JV's, Billions on RJ's, but no soup for you!

Hey, at least we'll be Leading the Industry....

in big RJ's!

DAWGS 12-06-2012 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 1306033)
Don't worry guys, it's just a 3+ billion dollar deal on jets to be flown by pilots other than our own.....nothing new here

Well that didn't take too long, now did it? I just will never be willing to vote yes on deals that include this kind of money for equipment not flown by us. Amazing to me that we keep repeating the same mistakes as a group. How's that hiring and movement coming along guys? That's right, it'll start next year or the year after the next or once this Virgin deal is tweaked or ......I'm sure this number, (3 Billion), is making some yes voters pause this morning.

boog123 12-06-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1306055)
Here is an excerpt from the contract, section 1.B.46: Exception one: If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft.

To me, it looks like the company can order them and probably even take delivery BUT, until 50 717's (1:1.25) are delivered they cannot put them all into service. I don't want to do any more public math but, at 3 airframes a month starting around August of next year, wouldn't that be sometime around November 2014?

Am I reading it wrong? Wouldn't be surprised if I was.....

Denny

-deleted, out of apathy ;(

Columbia 12-06-2012 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1306058)
And that my friends, is why there was such a rush to get this done, and why they didn't have any more than 4,8,3,3 for us.

They can spend Billions on JV's, Billions on RJ's, but no soup for you!

Hey, at least we'll be Leading the Industry....

in big RJ's!

But, but, but......they had a plan B had the TA been voted down. What was dal pas plan B? :rolleyes:

johnso29 12-06-2012 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1306055)
Here is an excerpt from the contract, section 1.B.46: Exception one: If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft.

To me, it looks like the company can order them and probably even take delivery BUT, until 50 717's (1:1.25) are delivered they cannot put them all into service. I don't want to do any more public math but, at 3 airframes a month starting around August of next year, wouldn't that be sometime around November 2014?

Am I reading it wrong? Wouldn't be surprised if I was.....

Denny

Denny,

As soon as I read the article I was wondering the same thing. Looks like its time to write my Rep for some answers.

johnso29 12-06-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1306073)
But, but, but......they had a plan B had the TA been voted down. What was dal pas plan B? :rolleyes:

Keep the 50 seaters. Take delivery of the B737-900ERs and MD90's. Pump the mainline fleet up high enough to get to 255 76 seat RJs, then start parking mainline planes. I'm sure Bombardier would have no problem taking CRJ700's for the purchase of a brand new CRJ900's. Those CRJ700's could easily be placed somewhere else. Then we are still at a DCI fleet of 500+ airplanes, no block hour ratio, & no fleet cap.

acl65pilot 12-06-2012 06:22 AM

How is the announcement of an RJ order that takes them to 223 large RJ's a shock to anyone? Did anyone think that they would not actually order or have options for as many large RJ's than were just permitted in the TA that was ratified by 62% of the pilots voting "in favor?"

153+40+30=223 or their 76 seat aircraft (not jets) limit.

acl65pilot 12-06-2012 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1306077)
Keep the 50 seaters. Take delivery of the B737-900ERs and MD90's. Pump the mainline fleet up high enough to get to 255 76 seat RJs, then start parking mainline planes. I'm sure Bombardier would have no problem taking CRJ700's for the purchase of a brand new CRJ900's. Those CRJ700's could easily be placed somewhere else. Then we are still at a DCI fleet of 500+ airplanes, no block hour ratio, & no fleet cap.


Keep in mind that they would have still been capped at 255 70+ seat jets (not aircraft) and would have had to trade out 70 seat jets (not aircraft) to get to 255 with the pump and dump as you describe.

Superpilot92 12-06-2012 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1306085)
How is the announcement of an RJ order that takes them to 223 large RJ's a shock to anyone? Did anyone think that they would not actually order or have options for as many large RJ's than were just permitted in the TA that was ratified by 62% of the pilots voting "in favor?"

153+40+30=223 or their 76 seat aircraft (not jets) limit.

No but the question is delivery schedule not following the agreement

Mesabah 12-06-2012 06:31 AM

Doesn't management have to be in compliance with the DAL scope contract by a certain date and then a continuous rolling schedule thereafter?


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