Yeah, I'm like most Delta pilots, I support my union, I respect the efforts of those who work on my behalf to make this a better place to work and I supported our contract. Do you have a problem with that, to the extent you have to attach a phrase lime "DALPA Lover" in order to dismiss our opinions?

So why is it called an "Advance" paycheck if it is in arrears?

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Surprised this has not been discussed:

"Surrogating" Airline Systems - Phase Two Is About To Start.

Parent Lufthansa has shut down BMIbaby, which was a brilliant attempt by the former BMI to start a low-cost "airline-within-an-airline" - a concept that's right up there with skyhooks and pixie dust as far as being viable.

Continental tried it, British tried it. Delta tried it - twice. United tried it - twice. Undaunted, other carriers across the globe are still trying it - Singapore, Qantas, etc. Cutting to the chase, in most cases, these sideshows are done for one reason - to get lower labor costs. Period. Not to mine more traffic. Not to be more "efficient." But just to cut the labor bill in the cockpit and cabin with the Trojan Horse excuse of getting more competitive.

In the US, this concept isn't going to be tried again - in this form, at least. Pushed by some of those billion-dollar global consulting firms, they've proven to total be failures. These guys are adept at providing monkey-see, monkey-do approaches to gullible airline clients all too eager to find the Holy Grail, just to discover their brilliant $500-dollar-an-hour consultants have handed them the economic equivalent of an empty beer can. In the US, the airline-within-an-airline schtick is now a scam that's run its course - one that Ray Charles could see as being dimbulb.

But don't sell these whiz-kids short. The new trend will be outsourcing, they'll declare. And we're talking about big-time outsourcing of huge sections of major airline operations. The new buzz-term is "larger regional jets" - an acronym for any flying machine under roughly 140 seats. "Regional feed" will be re-defined as anything, from anywhere, that's flown by such aircraft. The idea is to smokescreen the outsourcing of mainline aircraft, under the guise of "efficient alternative approaches" to meeting the competition.
It's the continuation of the virtual airline - where entire parts of the airline's system are outsourced to vendors, and in other areas, jointly shared with alliance partners.

The Great Unwashed - Let'em Eat Pringles. It's a lead-pipe cinch that the billion-buck consultant-non-think-tanks that push this trend have never - and we mean never - considered the concept of "customer" in these schemes. The idea of being better than the competition has taken a back seat in a race to cut as many customer-service corners as possible.

The concept of pursuing profitability on the old-fashioned idea of better, more-competitive customer service is not in play. Sure, there are the perfunctory advertisements of the new lie-flat seats, but truth be known they're being installed along with the unmentioned 28-inch-pitch slave-ship seats in the economy cabin. And. of course, there' will be the jive ads with pictures of some enormously overweight gourmet chef (who won't get within a continent of any airplane), to "oversee" the premium in-flight menus, when the reality is that a "business class" entree is still a casserole dish of mystery meat served with green beans that should have been fed to the chickens. At the same time, the great unwashed behind the curtain in economy will just have to do with a $7 can of Pringles. Credit cards only, please.

Regionals Evolve Into Surrogate Operators. The potential winners in this trend are probably three or four of today's "regional" airlines that will morph up into operators of mainline-cabin jets in the 80 - 135 seat (give or take) capacity range. But the long term fallout from an airline industry that's operationally siloed, and offers limited employee career potential, is as yet not known.
One thing is certain - the "airline-within-an-airline" concept has a successor - the virtual airline. Consumers might still book a seat on an airline brand - but it'll be a trip operated largely by vendors. Think about it - if the staff don't really work for the airline brand, and are there primarily for low wages and minimal benefits, just how much real service-orientation might there be? Ray Charles could see this one, too.

The danger is that airlines are gravitating to the fast food model - keep the staff turning over to keep costs down.

And just what else might this keep down?

It really doesn't make sense to me. I thought it was an "advance" for what you haven't flown yet, rather then what you've already flown. But I guess because the paycheck is broken into 2 payments, it's an advance for what's guaranteed. Then that leaves time to calculate overs, per diem, etc. :p

Well, how about our National Strike Committee Chairman dropping 2 trips worth over 70 hours this month. So much for transparency and accountability on FPL. All for a 4-5 day meeting. I want ALPA to be more accountable for these types of things. When I see this stuff it makes me wonder why we need a national union and not just something in house.

How do you know it's for a single 4-5 day meeting?

One of the Airways Express carriers is near the endgame, UCAL is near the endgame, lots of things going on besides our MEC meeting, if it is the "National" SPC Committee there are many things beyond DALPA.

"Quite the conundrum." :D But think of it this way - Your September flying is paid via the mid-month October paycheck. So the part paid prior to this is an advance and is 1/2 of the reserve guarantee.

I guess it make sense when you consider that sometimes we are paid a day or two early because of weekends and that some guys would still be flying when the advance pay has to be paid.

Scoop

I didn't know that about Phil, but being awarded CA and still running for FO rep is a whole different ballgame.

How was my statement in anyway disingenuous? It's a legit concern and something that really gets under my skin about AG running this time. Like I said, I voted for him last time. By all means, pull out the "but you're a moderator" card again. It really helps your case because I'm obviously lowering the level of discussion by bringing this out into the open. :rolleyes:

I think it's an archaic leftover from the days when Payroll was a bunch of dudes with adding machines and it took two weeks to figure out what you really made in the month prior.

...although now I see that Scoop has a really good point about early paychecks at the end of the month with guys still flying.